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Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion"

Poll: Should Gays have rights in society?
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Yes, this is their natural right to be gay.
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No, being gay is not natural therefore they have no natural right to be gay.
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No, being gay is against a Divine Command and therefore they have no rights but be subject to punishment!
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Yes, this is not a natural right but Gays have rights to be Gay no matter the circumstances and social templates.
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Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion"
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RE: Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion"
October 12, 2014 at 5:24 pm
(October 12, 2014 at 4:49 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I am not to sure, I wouldn't say I was pro gay marriage.

Are you pro-"affording rights and privileges of straight marriages to gay marriage"?
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RE: Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion"
October 12, 2014 at 5:25 pm (This post was last modified: October 12, 2014 at 5:26 pm by C4RM5.)
(October 12, 2014 at 5:21 pm)One Above All Wrote:
(October 12, 2014 at 5:19 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I fever said they should be illegal I just said that people can't force others to allow their marriage to take place in a church where they don't suupport gay marriage, everyone else agreed, so what is your problem?

My problem is that you then said the following:
(October 12, 2014 at 4:49 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I am not to sure, I wouldn't say I was pro gay marriage.
Which is the post I replied to. That, in and of itself, should have been the biggest hint about what my problem was.

I would say I am pro gay marriage and a wouldn't say I hate it, don't have to get annoyed.
To be honest genkaus I am not to sure on the topic.

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RE: Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion"
October 12, 2014 at 5:28 pm (This post was last modified: October 12, 2014 at 5:28 pm by One Above All.)
(October 12, 2014 at 5:25 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I would say I am pro gay marriage and a wouldn't say I hate it, don't have to get annoyed.
To be honest genkaus I am not to sure on the topic.

These two responses contradict each other. Care to try again?
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October 12, 2014 at 5:29 pm
(October 12, 2014 at 1:14 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: To the OP's poll: there are no natural rights in a nation, anyway. Rights are abstractions, and granted (or seized) by people. Nature grants no rights at all, not even the right to breathe.

Fantastic observation, I thought about that also. Nevertheless, we are discussing this under outdated notions from Thomas Hobbes, John Locke and other legalistic writers. Again, I agree with your observation.
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RE: Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion"
October 12, 2014 at 5:30 pm (This post was last modified: October 12, 2014 at 5:30 pm by C4RM5.)
They are not I am not really sure so I am nether for or against it, okay, don't need to start attacking me over it.

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October 12, 2014 at 5:38 pm
(October 12, 2014 at 5:30 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: They are not I am not really sure so I am nether for or against it, okay, don't need to start attacking me over it.

Let me put it another way. What makes homosexuals so different that they don't deserve equal rights?
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October 12, 2014 at 5:44 pm
(October 12, 2014 at 5:13 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I wasn't out right saying I don't like gay marriage I said I wasn't sure, put it this way if I was asked to go to a gay marriage I would decline.

That's your right. If you don't want to officiate a same sex marriage, you shouldn't be forced to. If you don't want to attend a same sex marriage, you don't have to.

But there migh be something to consider. Suppose it's someone you're close to getting married. What if it was your son or your daughter who wanted to marry someone of the same sex? Would you attend that wedding?
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October 12, 2014 at 5:46 pm (This post was last modified: October 12, 2014 at 5:47 pm by C4RM5.)
(October 12, 2014 at 5:38 pm)One Above All Wrote:
(October 12, 2014 at 5:30 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: They are not I am not really sure so I am nether for or against it, okay, don't need to start attacking me over it.

Let me put it another way. What makes homosexuals so different that they don't deserve equal rights?

I never said they didn't.
(October 12, 2014 at 5:44 pm)TaraJo Wrote:
(October 12, 2014 at 5:13 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I wasn't out right saying I don't like gay marriage I said I wasn't sure, put it this way if I was asked to go to a gay marriage I would decline.

That's your right. If you don't want to officiate a same sex marriage, you shouldn't be forced to. If you don't want to attend a same sex marriage, you don't have to.

But there migh be something to consider. Suppose it's someone you're close to getting married. What if it was your son or your daughter who wanted to marry someone of the same sex? Would you attend that wedding?

Simple answer is no.

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RE: Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion"
October 12, 2014 at 5:54 pm (This post was last modified: October 12, 2014 at 5:56 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(October 12, 2014 at 5:13 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I wasn't out right saying I don't like gay marriage I said I wasn't sure, put it this way if I was asked to go to a gay marriage I would decline.

I think that your opinion on gay marriage is your opinion, and no sweat ... but trying to enact your opinion legislatively is a shitty thing to do.

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RE: Gay rights within the template of religion proves flaws in "religion"
October 12, 2014 at 5:57 pm
(October 12, 2014 at 5:46 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I never said they didn't.

Nor did you say they did. In fact, aside from saying what everyone else already agrees with - that religious institutions shouldn't hold homosexual marriages they disapprove of on their private property - you haven't said anything about your opinion. Just a lot of "I never said that" and "I didn't say I agreed with that".
Answer this question in clear terms: do you believe homosexuals deserve the same rights as heterosexuals?
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