Why do politicians apologise for islam?

[Thumpalumpacus]

[mralstoner]

Christ and Muhammed were both equally fuckheaded, but you were talking about muslims alive today, not Muhammed.

Equally fuckheaded? Oh really. If you read the biographies of Mohammed and Jesus to a 5th grader, even they could see that Mohammed was a far more violent man than Jesus.

Since the key precept in both religions is the imitation of their archetypal prophets, it's only logical that Islam is more likely to inspire violence than Christianity. Not surprisingly, the data fits the theory i.e just watch the freakin news.

Give your evidence showing that Muslims the world over support ISIS, or modify your point. Exercise your critical thinking skills, employ your intelligence, and demonstrate your reasoning...

The critical question is not what "Muslims the world over support" because Muslims, like Christians, are many and varied. No, the critical question is: do the extremists have a convincing/plausible interpretation of Islam or not? And the answer to that is: yes they undeniably do, just read the biography of Mohammed: headchopping, rape, slavery, torture etc. The life of Jesus (a hippy) in no way compares to Mohammed (a butchering, warlord rapist).

This makes the Islamic holy books are clear and present danger to the non-Muslim world, because it means that in any given Muslim population a significant percentage will be drawn to this extremist (yet plausible) interpretation. What we do about it is another question entirely. The two religions are equally delusional, but the archetypal example (the key concept of both religions) of Mohammed is far more likely to inspire violence than Jesus. Even a 5th grader can see it.

(Yes the Old Testament is also barbaric, but largely rendered moot by the peaceful example of Jesus).

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

I rather think that the comparison between Jesus and Mohammed is not really applicable. Mohammed was a prophet of God, Jesus was God (according to the relevant PR departments, I mean). A more apt comparison might be between Mohammed and Joshua.

Boru

[Thumpalumpacus]

Equally fuckheaded? Oh really. If you read the biographies of Mohammed and Jesus to a 5th grader, even they could see that Mohammed was a far more violent man than Jesus.

I said "equally fuckheaded". I didn't say they were equally violent in today's world.

Of course, if you look at the 30 Years' War, you'd realize that Christians are no slouch at violence, either.

Since the key precept in both religions is the imitation of their archetypal prophets, it's only logical that Islam is more likely to inspire violence than Christianity. Not surprisingly, the data fits the theory i.e just watch the freakin news.

That's not the key precept of either religion. The key precept of Christianity is the acceptance of the "sacrifice" of Christ as a means for redemption, and the key precept of Islam is submission to Allah's will. The imitation of the prophets is a tertiary imperative ... if even that.

Additionally, you're still not answering my original point, which is that IS is not representative of the wider Muslim community.

The critical question is not what "Muslims the world over support" because Muslims, like Christians, are many and varied.

Actually, that is the question, because the OP said, "So if you're reading this, islam wants you dead !" as if it's a monolilthic mass of believers worldwide. That is exactly why I'm making this point as well.

No, the critical question is: do the extremists have a convincing/plausible interpretation of Islam or not? And the answer to that is: yes they undeniably do, just read the biography of Mohammed: headchopping, rape, slavery, torture etc. The life of Jesus (a hippy) in no way compares to Mohammed (a butchering, warlord rapist).

IN that sense, sure. But that is not put into practice by the vast majority of the world's Muslims, and acting as if it is is not accurate.

This makes the Islamic holy books are clear and present danger to the non-Muslim world, because it means that in any given Muslim population a significant percentage will be drawn to this extremist (yet plausible) interpretation.

[Emphasis added -- Thump]

Define "significant percentage", and back that claim up with data.

What we do about it is another question entirely. The two religions are equally delusional, but the archetypal example (the key concept of both religions) of Mohammed is far more likely to inspire violence than Jesus. Even a 5th grader can see it.

That's probably true -- but it doesn't answer my point, because my point was about how representative IS is.

(Yes the Old Testament is also barbaric, but largely rendered moot by the peaceful example of Jesus).

I'd suggest you read your Bible a little more; it has passages which undermine this misunderstanding of yours.

[lifesagift]

Give your evidence showing that Muslims the world over support ISIS, or modify your point. Exercise your critical thinking skills, employ your intelligence, and demonstrate your reasoning.

-- or lose audience.

Or maybe muslims the world over should show that they don't support IS !!!

After all it's the same instruction manual they read.

Or would they rather unpack their new 52inch tv tonight than going out to smite the infidel?



Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

[Minimalist]

"not the true islam"? why do big leaders lie?

Because if you say something nasty about this particular fairy tale its supposedly 'moderate' and 'peaceful' adherents will riot in the streets, threaten your cartoonists, and storm your embassies.

Why else is it called the 'religion of peace?'

[mralstoner]

[Thumpalumpacus]

[mralstoner]

Until then, understand that you're beating a piñata -- not my point.

Yeah, we live on different planets.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Until then, understand that you're beating a piñata -- not my point.

Yeah, we live on different planets.

No, you're beating up a piñata. You've loaded it with your favorite sweets and are swatting at it with vigor. You clearly find the dish I'm serving unsavory ... just as children prefer candy to vegetables.