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A Conscious Universe
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 RE: A Conscious Universe
February 1, 2015 at 10:33 am
(This post was last modified: February 1, 2015 at 10:33 am by Alex K.)
I don't know how it could possibly contribute to the philosophical discussion at hand in a meaningful way, but photons are currently not known to be spatially extensive - they are, like electrons, mathematically described as point particles which are subject to quantum mechanical uncertainty, and no measurement so far falsifies this assumption. If string theory is correct, we'd know more about their shape, as it would be a 1-dimensional string instead of a point particle, but that's pure speculation.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
 (February 1, 2015 at 10:33 am)Alex K Wrote: I don't know how it could possibly contribute to the philosophical discussion at hand in a meaningful way, but photons are currently not known to be spatially extensive - they are, like electrons, mathematically described as point particles which are subject to quantum mechanical uncertainty, and no measurement so far falsifies this assumption. If string theory is correct, we'd know more about their shape, as it would be a 1-dimensional string instead of a point particle, but that's pure speculation. Science is pointing away from a consciousness as a requirement as a cause no matter what we currently don't know about QM. There simply is no need to fill in the gap with a giant cognition. RE: A Conscious Universe
February 1, 2015 at 10:39 am
(This post was last modified: February 1, 2015 at 10:45 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Our model suggests that you'd feel them "pushing back" at half a fermi (or somesuch, less than 1 but more than zero)....iirc who was the resident physics nut in the thread....for confirmation?
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(February 1, 2015 at 10:38 am)Brian37 Wrote:(February 1, 2015 at 10:33 am)Alex K Wrote: I don't know how it could possibly contribute to the philosophical discussion at hand in a meaningful way, but photons are currently not known to be spatially extensive - they are, like electrons, mathematically described as point particles which are subject to quantum mechanical uncertainty, and no measurement so far falsifies this assumption. If string theory is correct, we'd know more about their shape, as it would be a 1-dimensional string instead of a point particle, but that's pure speculation. That's right. In the first decades of QM some people thought consciousness was the thing causing wave functions to collapse, spawning all kinds of woo on the sidelines, but this view has been largely discarded now as an artifact of the initial confusion about the theory.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition
RE: A Conscious Universe
February 1, 2015 at 10:43 am
(This post was last modified: February 1, 2015 at 10:46 am by The Grand Nudger.)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
I'm no Pastafarian, but still I keep reading this thread title as "A Couscous Universe."
(February 1, 2015 at 10:41 am)Alex K Wrote:(February 1, 2015 at 10:38 am)Brian37 Wrote: Science is pointing away from a consciousness as a requirement as a cause no matter what we currently don't know about QM. It was never taken seriously at all. The woo was popularized by si fi shows like Star Trek. Even today some still fall for si fi crap. NASA put out an article about the "warp drive" and everyone went ape shit over it and failed to read the entire thing. "Plausible" and "likely" are the part they missed, it was only mathematical on paper. The article also said to do that it would take all the energy in the universe. Si fi woo is as bad as religious woo.  RE: A Conscious Universe
February 1, 2015 at 2:23 pm
(This post was last modified: February 1, 2015 at 2:25 pm by IATIA.)
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