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Brilliant new apologetic fact
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 5, 2015 at 5:26 pm
(February 5, 2015 at 5:19 pm)Heywood Wrote: Creating something is not the same thing as designing something. It sounds like you might be making an error in thought by conflating the two.

So God created the universe, but didn't design it?

Or he designed it but didn't create it?
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 5, 2015 at 5:30 pm (This post was last modified: February 5, 2015 at 5:31 pm by Heywood.)
(February 5, 2015 at 5:26 pm)FreeTony Wrote:
(February 5, 2015 at 5:19 pm)Heywood Wrote: Creating something is not the same thing as designing something. It sounds like you might be making an error in thought by conflating the two.

So God created the universe, but didn't design it?

Or he designed it but didn't create it?

These virtual creatures are creations created to preform specific tasks but they are not designed.



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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 5, 2015 at 5:30 pm
Initially I misread the title as "brilliant new apologetic fart". Coincidence?
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 5, 2015 at 5:35 pm
(February 5, 2015 at 5:19 pm)Heywood Wrote: Creating something is not the same thing as designing something. It sounds like you might be making an error in thought by conflating the two.

Design is an inherent aspect of creation.
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 5, 2015 at 5:50 pm
(February 5, 2015 at 5:19 pm)Heywood Wrote: Creating something is not the same thing as designing something. It sounds like you might be making an error in thought by conflating the two.

"And the Lord thoughtlessly threw a bunch of random shit together and it was accidentally good..."
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 5, 2015 at 5:51 pm
(February 5, 2015 at 5:50 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: "And the Lord thoughtlessly threw a bunch of random shit together and it was accidentally good..."

So, god is basically a powerful Jackson Pollack.
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 5, 2015 at 5:58 pm
Woodie is Exh. "A" for my derisive comment about apologists in the islam thread.
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 5, 2015 at 6:12 pm
(February 5, 2015 at 5:50 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote:
(February 5, 2015 at 5:19 pm)Heywood Wrote: Creating something is not the same thing as designing something. It sounds like you might be making an error in thought by conflating the two.

"And the Lord thoughtlessly threw a bunch of random shit together and it was accidentally good..."

Evolution allows one to create specific things without design.
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 5, 2015 at 6:23 pm
(February 5, 2015 at 5:19 pm)Heywood Wrote:
(February 5, 2015 at 3:50 pm)FreeTony Wrote: So we end up with both the claim that everything must have been designed due to blah blah blah, followed by "except all the bad bits which weren't designed".

Creating something is not the same thing as designing something. It sounds like you might be making an error in thought by conflating the two.

In the context of this discussion, that's a distinction without a difference.

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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 5, 2015 at 6:33 pm
(February 5, 2015 at 6:12 pm)Heywood Wrote: Evolution allows one to create specific things without design.

Firstly, evolution doesn't produce "specific" things.

Secondly, if you get to control both the starting conditions and the laws of the universe, and you can see the future, you are designing and know the outcome of these designs.
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