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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 13, 2015 at 1:02 pm
God is a prick who gives AIDS to babies.
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 13, 2015 at 1:04 pm
Question: can babies with AIDS give you food poisoning? Cause I don't feel so good....
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 13, 2015 at 1:29 pm
Only if you have sex with them before eating them.
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 13, 2015 at 1:45 pm
(February 13, 2015 at 11:48 am)Pyrrho Wrote: (February 13, 2015 at 11:44 am)orangebox21 Wrote: God created all things. Generally when using this statement the Biblical theist is qualifying 'things' to refer to the material world. God created all [material] things. Given that evil is not material, it is not a 'thing' within the parameters of this definition. Obviously evil is a 'thing', just not a material one.
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Unfortunately for you, the OP isn't about evil in the abstract, but about particular physical things, diseases and cancer. Being things, diseases and cancer were created by god, if god created all things. Two points. In the initial creation account (where 'God created all things' comes from) there were no diseases. He did create them in a different sense later on as a consequence of sin, not of His initial creation which He deemed good. There is a difference between the initial 'creation of all things' and the world we observe today. Namely sin.
Secondly you'll have to prove that diseases and cancer are evil to make your argument. Are not chemical reactions amoral?
(February 13, 2015 at 11:49 am)Norman Humann Wrote: Yes, we've already established that is the right answer. It's also why god gives everyone cancer. God gives everyone cancer??? 
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 13, 2015 at 1:55 pm
God is a douche box and he's not fit to push my trolley. And I don't even have a trolley.
Let's take a look at some of god's decision making:
http://youtu.be/wKtuk0ZpnbY
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 13, 2015 at 2:53 pm
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(February 13, 2015 at 1:45 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: Two points. In the initial creation account (where 'God created all things' comes from) there were no diseases. Please tell me you're joking. I refuse to believe people are really this stupid.
(February 13, 2015 at 1:45 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: Secondly you'll have to prove that diseases and cancer are evil to make your argument. Are not chemical reactions amoral? It's not chemical reactions themselves anybody's debating, dipshit. It's the horrible physical and psychological turmoil inflicted on otherwise innocent mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, children, and babies who were going about their lives, minding their own business, and now will likely die a slow and painful death while your God supposedly sits on his lazy ass bathing in beggars' tears.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 13, 2015 at 2:55 pm
(February 13, 2015 at 1:45 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: (February 13, 2015 at 11:49 am)Norman Humann Wrote: Yes, we've already established that is the right answer. It's also why god gives everyone cancer. God gives everyone cancer???
Yes. And AIDS. Because he loves us. Duh. It's Christianity 101.
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 13, 2015 at 3:02 pm
It's very telling that the religious have to go through such mental gymnastics to explain diseases and natural disasters, where as with the non-religious there is no need to explain it away or have any sort of apologetic program. These things just are part of the natural world.
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 13, 2015 at 3:05 pm
(February 13, 2015 at 1:45 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: (February 13, 2015 at 11:48 am)Pyrrho Wrote: Unfortunately for you, the OP isn't about evil in the abstract, but about particular physical things, diseases and cancer. Being things, diseases and cancer were created by god, if god created all things. Two points. In the initial creation account (where 'God created all things' comes from) there were no diseases. He did create them in a different sense later on as a consequence of sin, not of His initial creation which He deemed good. There is a difference between the initial 'creation of all things' and the world we observe today. Namely sin.
It does not matter whether god created diseases and cancer in the beginning or only later on. Either way, it is god's creation, if he created everything. So he cannot escape responsibility by creating it later on; it is still his handiwork.
(February 13, 2015 at 1:45 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: Secondly you'll have to prove that diseases and cancer are evil to make your argument. Are not chemical reactions amoral?
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If the disease were not caused by an intelligent being, then it would just be amoral. But if I willfully cause a child to be exposed to polio, then I am evil, not the polio. In this case, god is supposed to be intelligent, and god has exposed quite a few children to polio. (As well as other diseases and cancer.) It is god who is evil. That is, if there were a god who made everything.
Many Christians like to have their cake and eat it too, by praising god for what is good, but not blaming god for what is bad. If god created everything, then he is responsible for everything, not just what is good.
"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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RE: Brilliant new apologetic fact
February 13, 2015 at 3:18 pm
(February 13, 2015 at 2:53 pm)Nestor Wrote: It's not chemical reactions themselves anybody's debating, dipshit. It's the horrible physical and psychological turmoil inflicted on otherwise innocent mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, children, and babies who were going about their lives, minding their own business, and now will likely die a slow and painful death while your God supposedly sits on his lazy ass bathing in beggars' tears.
"Created sick and commanded to be well" C. Hitchens
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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