I need major help with my Christian Family

[Godscreated]

[Norman Humann]

GC, you're drunk. Go home.

[FatAndFaithless]

GC: Continuing the slimy line of grossly dishonest and morally stilted theists.

[robvalue]

Give up families for atheism...

GC must have me on block. Only so many times I can repeat myself.

If Christianity is meant to produce kind, moral people, it's not working here. You clearly have a lot of issues which you are projecting all over atheists. That you pick what you consider vulnerable ones to concentrate on is really sickening.

I'm really hoping at this point you are an under cover atheist.

[KUSA]

you chose to be an atheist, period.

GC

This statement is really retarded. People don't choose to not believe in something. The fact is that I and my fellow Atheists can't force ourselves to believe in nonsense such as Leprechauns, Fairies, or your nonexistent god.

[robvalue]

If GC really thinks atheism is a choice, then that must mean Christianity is a choice too. So he's saying people choose to buy into it, rather than being convinced that it's actually real. In other words, they don't believe it at all but go along with it.

Can't have it both ways.

[emilynghiem]

If GC really thinks atheism is a choice, then that must mean Christianity is a choice too. So he's saying people choose to buy into it, rather than being convinced that it's actually real. In other words, they don't believe it at all but go along with it.

Can't have it both ways.

Good points.
What I find is the issue is not Christian vs. nonchristian
or theist vs. nontheist

It is Forgiveness vs. Unforgiveness.

As long as people accept each other and forgive differences,
we can work things out in the same spirit of truth and love
whether we are theist nontheist, Christian nonchristian, etc.

If people CANNOT forgive differences, even two Christians will argue and not resolve it, two theists, two atheists, etc.

The first step is to forgive and let go of fear of changing each other.
And then whatever is needed to resolve conflicts follows naturally.

Where Christianity helps with forgiveness, then that is central and true.
But where Christians can't even forgive, that is self-defeating and false.

[dyresand]

If GC really thinks atheism is a choice, then that must mean Christianity is a choice too. So he's saying people choose to buy into it, rather than being convinced that it's actually real. In other words, they don't believe it at all but go along with it.

Can't have it both ways.

Good points.
What I find is the issue is not Christian vs. nonchristian
or theist vs. nontheist

It is Forgiveness vs. Unforgiveness.

As long as people accept each other and forgive differences,
we can work things out in the same spirit of truth and love
whether we are theist nontheist, Christian nonchristian, etc.

If people CANNOT forgive differences, even two Christians will argue and not resolve it, two theists, two atheists, etc.

The first step is to forgive and let go of fear of changing each other.
And then whatever is needed to resolve conflicts follows naturally.

Where Christianity helps with forgiveness, then that is central and true.
But where Christians can't even forgive, that is self-defeating and false.

Its not even..... when it comes down too it and this is the reality of it all.
Atheist/Secular humanist homes have better families and moral values than any theistic household would ever have ever period. The fact is if you look at the data secular/atheist families tend to be a happier family have stronger family ties and even jail statistics there is hardly atheists in jails. What it boils down to is and the majority doesn't want to accept is that atheists are great people and good-natured people who help because they are not doing it for x y z god they are doing it for helping a fellow human being. And the sad fact is i live that life i get told oh your nice guy its sad that well since you are doing this charity work not for god but of your own free will its selfish and you are going to burn in hell. Its not my choice i don't believe in god i just knew i had the information i was skeptical about the bible and events hell i mean i don't mind church but the thing is i feel more better as an atheist than i was a theist because its irrational to fear hell, hell was never suppose to exist in the bible the only reasons why it was added in the first place was to get back people who were leaving the faith.

[robvalue]

I can safely say it's the christians doing most of the non-accepting of atheists, rather than the other way round. I have no problem accepting christians, as long as they aren't being arse holes. I'm sure most atheists feel the same.

Having a book that you believe is the word of God saying that everyone who doesn't agree with you deserves to be divinely punished does not help the situation.

[emilynghiem]

Its not even..... when it comes down too it and this is the reality of it all.
Atheist/Secular humanist homes have better families and moral values than any theistic household would ever have ever period. The fact is if you look at the data secular/atheist families tend to be a happier family have stronger family ties and even jail statistics there is hardly atheists in jails. What it boils down to is and the majority doesn't want to accept is that atheists are great people and good-natured people who help because they are not doing it for x y z god they are doing it for helping a fellow human being. And the sad fact is i live that life i get told oh your nice guy its sad that well since you are doing this charity work not for god but of your own free will its selfish and you are going to burn in hell. Its not my choice i don't believe in god i just knew i had the information i was skeptical about the bible and events hell i mean i don't mind church but the thing is i feel more better as an atheist than i was a theist because its irrational to fear hell, hell was never suppose to exist in the bible the only reasons why it was added in the first place was to get back people who were leaving the faith.

Yes and no. There are advantages and disadvantages to both.
The secular people I know are more objective, many are better at business and managing practical things while some of my Christian friends who live in the spiritual plane can lose sense of grounding and especially finances when they think "everything comes from God." They forget that SOMEONE has to do WORK to produce these "gifts from God."

On the other hand, the people who do Christian spiritual healing are able to heal even extreme cases of cancer, schizophrenia, and other ills that medicine cannot do alone. I have never seen atheists or Buddhist able to cure severe cases of demonic sickness, that only the Christian deliverance prayers seem to be able to handle and get rid of. The other prayers/meditations work the same on the personal level and register the same in the brain as studies show; but with the deeper spiritual sickness that causes mental and criminal illness and addictions,
the Christians definitely have an advantage there that I haven't seen other systems able to match. Those prayers are more concentrated and centralized on a level where those demonic and occult energies operate and can overpower the human mind and will where the other levels of prayer operate.

I would like to see scientific research in this area to prove the difference between dark energies of occult/sorcery/magic and the light energies of positive prayers, plus the concentrated prayers of the people who do exorcisms and deliverance that other prayers can't do.