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RE: Was it necessary to create anything?
March 26, 2015 at 8:04 am
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He doesn't get everything he wants? Sounds like a chink in the omnipotence there.
Or is he changing the rules specifically so that he doesn't get what he wants? Weird guy.
Or don't you subscribe to omnipotence, Prof? Apologetics would be much easier if that claim was dropped.
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RE: Was it necessary to create anything?
March 26, 2015 at 8:08 am
(March 26, 2015 at 8:02 am)professor Wrote: In the end God wins, but even He does not get everything He wants.
That's not really true. God has the power to produce whatever result he desires. If he sets things up so that people can fail and die (or live in torment for eternity) then it was what he desired. There is no scenario in which god wouldn't get what he wants. Well, there's one: scenarios concocted by men, featuring an imaginary almighty being.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Was it necessary to create anything?
March 26, 2015 at 8:09 am
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How can anyone ever prove they are all powerful? Can't be done. No matter what stuff you do to impress me, there's always going to be a more difficult task. It's a ridiculous notion and they'd be well advised to drop it.
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RE: Was it necessary to create anything?
March 26, 2015 at 8:21 am
When you combine all Just with all powerful- you get a range of behavior that you do not leave.
Leaving it is not in the make- up of God.
Thus, God does not set- up the situations you describe.
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RE: Was it necessary to create anything?
March 26, 2015 at 8:26 am
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So he's not all powerful then? He can't set up whatever he wants, because he is restricted by being all just?
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RE: Was it necessary to create anything?
March 26, 2015 at 8:35 am
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You're getting closer Rob.
I would say, looking thru the lenses of Justice (the foundation of God's throne is just that)
automatically eliminates many actions.
They are not eliminated because of lack of power, but because they would violate God's intrinsic sense of right.
I noticed when I focused on Justice in my replies to Atlas, that he disappeared from the post he started.
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RE: Was it necessary to create anything?
March 26, 2015 at 8:42 am
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OK, I see, thanks. So is he deciding to limit himself, or is it beyond his control that he is limited?
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RE: Was it necessary to create anything?
March 26, 2015 at 8:45 am
Whoever created and set the rules for God, I suppose.
