Does anyone find victim blaming the Texas artists disgusting?

[Whateverist]

Lets put this whole situation in perspective.

Victim blaming is not what we should be talking about.  What we need to talk about is the gun culture of Texas.  It is a state that encourages all people to own a gun and exercise their 2nd amendment rights.  The way I see it, right or wrong this is the side affect of an unchecked gun culture like you see in Texas.

Why should we talk about gun culture? This is clearly about radical Islamic apologism.

Gun rights don't mean a thing - that's how radical Islamist got their hands on them in Australia, radical Muslims, or any radical can get guns if they really want them.

There you go again, Donkey.  Quite apart from the special problem of Islam, it is always the right time to talk about the insanity of the gun culture in this country.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Lets put this whole situation in perspective.

Victim blaming is not what we should be talking about.  What we need to talk about is the gun culture of Texas.  It is a state that encourages all people to own a gun and exercise their 2nd amendment rights.  The way I see it, right or wrong this is the side affect of an unchecked gun culture like you see in Texas.

If this were the case, shouldn't we expect to see a disproportionate amount of these sorts of attacks here? And the Habdo attacks happened in spite of some very restrictive French gun control laws.

[Esquilax]

Anyway, do Islamic apologists realize that ''punching down'' is nonsense? If Islam cannot be criticized where Muslims are a minority, then were do we criticize Islam? The countries where they're the majority?. Because I can't see that working out well.

I find the idea of "punching down" to be entirely misplaced, when we're talking about Islam; lest we forget, there are segments of that culture that feel themselves empowered to kill people who make any form of negative- or even neutral, where it crosses their beliefs- commentary on their religion. You run the risk of them responding with lethal force even when you do something innocuous. If that isn't punching up, I don't know what is.

It'd be like if you were an artist making fun of a dictator, knowing full well that he could have you killed if he ever found out, and all these apologists were coming out of the woodwork asserting that you're punching down when parodying the supreme leader of your country, because he's only one guy. He's in the minority.

Yes, that may be true. But he might still kill you. The direction you punch is not dictated by the numerical strength of the target.

[Jenny A]

Lets put this whole situation in perspective.

Victim blaming is not what we should be talking about.  What we need to talk about is the gun culture of Texas.  It is a state that encourages all people to own a gun and exercise their 2nd amendment rights.  The way I see it, right or wrong this is the side affect of an unchecked gun culture like you see in Texas.

Yes Texas gun culture is a problem.  But I don't see the relevance here.  Islamists seem perfectly capable of killing people in where guns are mostly illegal, like say France.

[vorlon13]

Islamic majority cities seem to not have much trouble producing a million marchers or more for any variety of "Death to _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _" events. Christers would be hard pressed to get that many souls on the street except barely maybe to preserve safe, legal divorce and remarriage.

If Islam starts developing a little faith in their faith such that it can handle the occasional ribald riposte and/or shows the degree of respect/tolerance for other faiths they claim to want for themselves, it would be a start. Failing that, fuck 'em and their child raping, goat molesting, thieving, murderous prophet.

[robvalue]

Everyone should keep on drawing millions of pictures of Mohammad until the fascist portion is Islam accepts people will not be silenced by fear. I don't however condone physically shoving it in the face of Muslims, which is why I have reservations about the location of the one done outside the Mosque, that's kind of on the cusp. But even if one of those got shot, I'd still blame the shooter of course. Cartoons are never grounds for violence, even if they are being shoved in your face.

[Dystopia]

Yes I find it disgusting. when someone draws a picture, and gets killed for it, and people defend the killer, they are missing the whole point of the picture. Besides killing them back, or using free speech to criticize them, what do these people expect us to do about extremists?

Basically my opinion

I just think about how these people would respond if it was another group being 'offended'. Let's say there's a group that draws satirical and offensive drawings of KKK leaders, and then two KKK members show up at the group's building and tries to shoot them over the offense. Would these people say "yeah well, they should have known better"? It's just another manifestation of the untouchable bubble (or, untouchabubble) that religion enjoys right off the bat, where criticism and satire is somehow forbidden just based on the mere fact that it's a 'religion'.

I mostly agree, but I still think nazism and racial supremacism is way worse than any religion - I don't think the two are comparable - Heck, I don't even think Islamic terrorist groups are comparable because many have different goals and methodologies and consider everyone else to be an apostate. I think any idea can and should be criticized, at least to keep its proponents in check (groups become extreme and violent when left free without any checks and balances).




Btw, I think this has little do to with gun control and gun laws. Terrorists usually have a political/ideological purpose and they devote their lives, physical well being and families to achieve what they wish - If they need a gun, they'll arrange for it; if they want to rape someone, they'll find a way to do it; If they want to behead some journalist, they won't mind doing it live on international TV.

[paulpablo]

Lets put this whole situation in perspective.

Victim blaming is not what we should be talking about.  What we need to talk about is the gun culture of Texas.  It is a state that encourages all people to own a gun and exercise their 2nd amendment rights.  The way I see it, right or wrong this is the side affect of an unchecked gun culture like you see in Texas.

I don't see it as that way at all in the slightest.  I'm actually completely on the fence when it comes to things like the right to bare arms.  But to say this specific situation is a side effect of gun culture is ridiculous. 

Pretty much this exact same thing (two muslims wanting to kill a man) happened in London, the outcome was Lee Rigby was ran over by a car then knifed to death.  In the situation in Texas two muslims wanted to kill a man, they used guns and the security guard was injured and then armed police shot and killed the Muslims.

Like I said I'm not defending guns or the laws involving guns, but it's illogical to say Muslims trying to kill people is a side effect of an unchecked gun culture in Texas.  That's just ludicrous.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Lets put this whole situation in perspective.

Victim blaming is not what we should be talking about.  What we need to talk about is the gun culture of Texas.  It is a state that encourages all people to own a gun and exercise their 2nd amendment rights.  The way I see it, right or wrong this is the side affect of an unchecked gun culture like you see in Texas.

I don't see it as that way at all in the slightest.  I'm actually completely on the fence when it comes to things like the right to bare arms.  But to say this specific situation is a side effect of gun culture is ridiculous. 

Pretty much this exact same thing (two muslims wanting to kill a man) happened in London, the outcome was Lee Rigby was ran over by a car then knifed to death.  In the situation in Texas two muslims wanted to kill a man, they used guns and the security guard was injured and then armed police shot and killed the Muslims.

Like I said I'm not defending guns or the laws involving guns, but it's illogical to say Muslims trying to kill people is a side effect of an unchecked gun culture in Texas.  That's just ludicrous.

I bare arms ... at work.

[Anomalocaris]

No arm porn please.