(June 13, 2015 at 4:33 am)Neimenovic Wrote:Can you demonstrate that being black isn't?(June 13, 2015 at 4:13 am)Chuck Wrote: Is there a reason to say Bruce/carlin Jenner is a stegosaur if he/she/it feels with every fiber of his/her/its being that he/she/it is a roof lizard?
No, that would make her delusional, but this is an actual, described, diagnosable condition that has nothing to do with whims and everything to do with brain structure and chemistry
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The right to mis-define oneself
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  RE: The right to mis-define oneself
June 13, 2015 at 5:27 am
(This post was last modified: June 13, 2015 at 5:40 am by robvalue.)
What I've learnt recently is that someone's brain mapping can indeed be "set up" for a female body, even when they are otherwise born male, and vice versa.
I don't particularly care what people refer to themselves as. If they want me to call them something, then I'll call them that, within reason. The problem comes when you have to assess the legal aspects. You certainly don't automatically become something you're not just because you say it. I think in the above example at least, there is a strong case for legally being a different gender. (I'm aware the law already exists, I'm supporting it!)  RE: The right to mis-define oneself
June 13, 2015 at 5:34 am
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(June 13, 2015 at 5:24 am)bennyboy Wrote:(June 13, 2015 at 4:33 am)Neimenovic Wrote: No, that would make her delusional, but this is an actual, described, diagnosable condition that has nothing to do with whims and everything to do with brain structure and chemistryCan you demonstrate that being black isn't? Define black. What is black? How black is black enough for you? Can you demonstrate it's anything more than skin tone? How much melanin does one need to have to be black? (June 13, 2015 at 5:36 am)Neimenovic Wrote:(June 13, 2015 at 5:24 am)bennyboy Wrote: Can you demonstrate that being black isn't? ![[Image: family-guy-elite-daily-485x2421.png]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=cdn29.elitedaily.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F04%2Ffamily-guy-elite-daily-485x2421.png)
anti-logical Fallacies of Ambiguity
Many trans women proudly label themselves TRANSwomen and not just "women". Identifying as a woman doesn't necessarily mean identifying with stereotypes. It just means she wants to be a woman.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you
RE: The right to mis-define oneself
June 13, 2015 at 8:57 am
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(June 13, 2015 at 7:36 am)Dystopia Wrote: Many trans women proudly label themselves TRANSwomen and not just "women". Identifying as a woman doesn't necessarily mean identifying with stereotypes. It just means she wants to be a woman. And I want to be a pro basketball player. I feel I'm the next Michael Jordan, but I'm trapped in a slow, clumsy white boy's body. Maybe I should sue the NBA for not recruiting me. RE: The right to mis-define oneself
June 13, 2015 at 8:59 am
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(June 13, 2015 at 5:36 am)Neimenovic Wrote: Define black. What is black? How black is black enough for you? Can you demonstrate it's anything more than skin tone?Well, when we say "black," we mean someone who has at least some African DNA, i.e. the African DNA of a few hundred years ago, not some residual DNA from a few hundred thousand. So I'd say to be "black," you need a non-zero amount of that DNA. Getting your hair crimped and applying a tanning agent is not sufficient. |
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