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Why don't you check with a jew rather than listen to your silly catholic horseshit?
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If Christians did that, it would destroy Christianity entirely. It all depends on them misinterpreting Jewish texts to get the results they want. Christianity is inherently arrogant in its "interpretation" of Jewish texts. Christians are always saying that Jews do not understand Jewish prophesy, as well as other aspects of Judaism. It is their schtick (if you will pardon the expression).
I always laugh my ass off when these dumb shits try to tell jews how to be jews.
June 19, 2015 at 10:57 pm (This post was last modified: June 19, 2015 at 10:58 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Ah yes............Has anyone approached you regarding kudos and user ratings.......?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Spacetime you are the shiggles. I believe a rep is in order...
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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You folks are really friendly and warm in your welcome... thank you, sincerely.
I don't know why today... nothing special or out of the ordinary happened that caused me to take this step. I just felt the walls were coming in on me the moment I woke up. Something very similar to the episodic behavior of my manifest PTSD, but this time it was different. Much deeper and more difficult to bear.
Despite being told to take it slow, I had to find comfort in my wife with all of this as it was happening to me. So I brought it up earlier today after making my initial post. I asked my wife if she really believed that Christ raised up from the dead after 72 hours of being clinically dead, with the premise that her answer would have no impact on my feelings about her. I assured her over and over again that her answer couldn't possibly move the sheer mass of my love for her (know this is an idiot statement in that emotion has no mass ). She started to cry, and said "no, not really." Then I asked her if she truly believed that Christ was born of a virgin. She replied, again through tears, "No, because I know that can't happen."
Long story made short, I've been living with another doubting Thomas for the last 11 years and never thought to touch that topic with the person that means the most to me. I didn't make that reference to her because I wanted to be clear that I knew there would be no God-man appearing in the room with wounds similar to those victims of crucifixion suffered to prove us wrong.
After a long period of silence, she said, "I'm going to have to think about this for a while." After I read my original post from this thread to her, she said, "You should know me better than to leave you over something like this." I reassured her that we could keep going to church, keep praying together as a family if that made her happy, etc. But that if that was her choice, that I could at least be openly agnostic with her. She agreed.
... my hope for every man ... is that they find a woman as cool as my main chick (that's white boy slang for "I have no side chicks").
So tonight, for the first time in a long time, we didn't say the Lord's prayer before eating our supper. I asked that everyone sit down and just be thankful that we are so lucky to have something to eat while children around the world... equal in age to my own... were going to bed hungry. That was brave because I wasn't prepared for the long conversation about global markets and food science that would have logically followed the innocent question of, "Dad, who are we thanking?" I think I would have said, "I bought it, Mom preheated it, and together we carefully removed it from the oven so as to avoid painful injury."
I'm thankful [to wife] that it was all around, a good experience. The fear is still maddening, I'm still horrified at the prospect of giving up on trying to have faith (something I am pretty sure you cannot force), however... at least my wife is sympathetic and shares some of my views.
One last point; one week ago, I reached out to probably one of the most learned men in the field of theology in the United States, hoping he would respond so that I could ask him to explain theodicy to me like a 3rd grader. Just 1 hour ago, I got his reply. I hadn't yet asked him to present his argument for his views on theodicy, but he replied and the opportunity is there. Part of me wants to abandon it, and another part of me wants to ask him outright... "Why does our personal God sit idle when children smaller than my own are starving to death? Why, when we know He can, did God not write down the ultimate guide to human understanding? If his insight is so infinite why, then, did he leave us a book that compounds the complexities of the practice of worshiping Him." The latter part of me is screaming, "too late, motherf*cker... if you had it, you would have presented it on YouTube."
Anyway, I feel like I'm learning to walk all over again. I feel like I'm watching the most beautiful part of me disappear in the rear-view mirror. And why am I still scared of hell, despite having every reason to believe that it doesn't exist?
Thanks, guys/gals... srsly.
Theorectically if a person is a good Christian and true believer he wouldn't expect his favorite ethnocentric deity to feed starving children. He would take steps to feed the starving children himself as stated in the fairy tale. If you know there's a need and if you don't take steps to fill that need how can you expect mercy from your deity when you never followed his commandments about feeding and clothing the needy as stated in Matthew 25:42-46?
It is equally impermissible to dismiss the story of Adam and Eve and the fall (Gen. 2–3) as a fiction. A question often raised in this context is whether the human race descended from an original pair of two human beings (a teaching known as monogenism) or a pool of early human couples (a teaching known as polygenism). In this regard, Pope Pius XII stated: "When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parents of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now, it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the teaching authority of the Church proposed with regard to original sin which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam in which through generation is passed onto all and is in everyone as his own" (Humani Generis 37). The story of the creation and fall of man is a true one, even if not written entirely according to modern literary techniques. The Catechism states, "The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man. Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents" (CCC 390).
There was no Adam and Eve, we are not their ancestors, there isn't even a -possibility- of this story being true. The church demands that it be -held to be true-...regardless.
Perhaps another example would be both factually correct, and help to elucidate the point you wish to make?
Damn, what planet do you live on where we are Adam and Eve's ANCESTORS?
June 20, 2015 at 12:02 am (This post was last modified: June 20, 2015 at 12:05 am by Spacetime.)
(June 19, 2015 at 11:33 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(June 17, 2015 at 8:48 pm)Spacetime Wrote: One last point; one week ago, I reached out to probably one of the most learned men in the field of theology in the United States, hoping he would respond so that I could ask him to explain theodicy to me like a 3rd grader. Just 1 hour ago, I got his reply. I hadn't yet asked him to present his argument for his views on theodicy, but he replied and the opportunity is there. Part of me wants to abandon it, and another part of me wants to ask him outright... "Why does our personal God sit idle when children smaller than my own are starving to death? Why, when we know He can, did God not write down the ultimate guide to human understanding? If his insight is so infinite why, then, did he leave us a book that compounds the complexities of the practice of worshiping Him." The latter part of me is screaming, "too late, motherf*cker... if you had it, you would have presented it on YouTube."
Theorectically if a person is a good Christian and true believer he wouldn't expect his favorite ethnocentric deity to feed starving children. He would take steps to feed the starving children himself as stated in the fairy tale. If you know there's a need and if you don't take steps to fill that need how can you expect mercy from your deity when you never followed his commandments about feeding and clothing the needy as stated in Matthew 25:42-46?
<In Character; stuffing hands in pockets>
Ahhh... but you see... that's a little much to ask. You see, I'm after blessings. I earned those blessings. Those blessings have my name on them. I can't share a blessing as illustrated by Jacob and Esau. Surely... all the things that come from a blessing belong to me and can't be shared
</Out of Character>
Scientists do that sort of thing. Work for meaningless pay for the betterment of our species. Clergy make you feel good about ignoring man's problems.
(June 19, 2015 at 11:29 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Lol I love this guy!
Spacetime you are the shiggles. I believe a rep is in order...
Meh. Not really. Everyone poops. Tone it down... there's too much kindness and humanity in here. You atheists have a reputation to keep.
). She started to cry, and said "no, not really." Then I asked her if she truly believed that Christ was born of a virgin. She replied, again through tears, "No, because I know that can't happen."