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Why would any Woman want to be a part of Christianity?
#21
RE: Why would any Woman want to be a part of Christianity?
(July 21, 2015 at 11:35 am)Pyrrho Wrote:
(July 21, 2015 at 6:26 am)Alex K Wrote: I don't understand the question. If you believe the religion is true, then whether you like it or not doesn't really figure into it. We don't reject gravity either when we break a leg falling down the stairs

Yes, that was my take on some things when I was a Christian.  I did not like the second-place position of women, but not being master of the universe, my opinion counted for little.  The most I felt I could do was not push any of that crap, without violating any of it.

I remember talking with one Christian, years after I became an atheist, who flatly said that God was evil.  Her reasoning?  Just look at the stories in the Bible.  That God character is a nasty piece of work.  But being nasty does not make something nonexistent.  If it did, the world would be a much better place.  Anyway, she did not want to burn in hell forever.  But she did not like God at all.  Although I do not respect her belief in Christianity, I do respect her clear thinking about the morality of the God character.

If you believe things based on whether you like them or not, that is an informal fallacy with a name:  Wishful thinking.  Even though people are often prone to it, it is a really stupid way of thinking.


How sad, to openly admit that god is an evil fucker, and yet feel powerless to remove yourself from the situation.  So I guess the answer, from that perspective at least, is fear.

This saving us from hell shit needs to be met head on.
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#22
RE: Why would any Woman want to be a part of Christianity?
(July 21, 2015 at 12:09 pm)Spooky Wrote:
(July 21, 2015 at 11:35 am)Pyrrho Wrote: Yes, that was my take on some things when I was a Christian.  I did not like the second-place position of women, but not being master of the universe, my opinion counted for little.  The most I felt I could do was not push any of that crap, without violating any of it.

I remember talking with one Christian, years after I became an atheist, who flatly said that God was evil.  Her reasoning?  Just look at the stories in the Bible.  That God character is a nasty piece of work.  But being nasty does not make something nonexistent.  If it did, the world would be a much better place.  Anyway, she did not want to burn in hell forever.  But she did not like God at all.  Although I do not respect her belief in Christianity, I do respect her clear thinking about the morality of the God character.

If you believe things based on whether you like them or not, that is an informal fallacy with a name:  Wishful thinking.  Even though people are often prone to it, it is a really stupid way of thinking.


How sad, to openly admit that god is an evil fucker, and yet feel powerless to remove yourself from the situation.  So I guess the answer, from that perspective at least, is fear.

This saving us from hell shit needs to be met head one.


In order to do that, one needs to convince the person that hell does not exist.  A start would be to show that god does not exist, but by taking the position that that woman took, one of the more powerful arguments becomes useless.  The problem of evil simply does not work against the existence of an evil being.

Of course, one still has other options, like discussing the lack of evidence that the Bible is reliable at all, and the similarities with other ancient texts, etc.  But such things don't usually have the same sort of impact as the problem of evil, so the chances of success may well be reduced.  On the other hand, by recognizing that the God character in the Bible is a piece of shit, that shows some functioning brain activity, and so maybe the task will be easier than in some other cases.

Still, Uncle K's point remains, that liking something and believing it are two different things.  I don't like the fact that my body is aging, but not liking it does not change anything.  Not liking god and not believing in god are two very different things.

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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#23
RE: Why would any Woman want to be a part of Christianity?
I know a lot of conservative religious people who practice a more authoritarian  type of parenting. If you are brought up in a  family with strict hierarchy where you, as the child, are on the bottom of the family then it is probably easier and more comforting to be part of a similar religion when you grow up. If your parents make all your decisions when you are a child, maybe that creates adults who don't want to make their own choices. So, a woman from such a family might gravitate toward a relationship where her husband had more control over her life.
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#24
RE: Why would any Woman want to be a part of Christianity?
(July 21, 2015 at 1:20 pm)Nope Wrote: If you are brought up in a  family with strict hierarchy where you, as the child, are on the bottom of the family then it is probably easier and more comforting to be part of a similar religion when you grow up.

Pretty sad, isn't it? Making the child feel worthless right from the start. Thankfully I never had to experience that.
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#25
RE: Why would any Woman want to be a part of Christianity?
Quote:How sad, to openly admit that god is an evil fucker,

"God" is not an evil fucker.  God doesn't exist.  The primitive fuckheads who invented him were evil fuckers.
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#26
RE: Why would any Woman want to be a part of Christianity?
(July 21, 2015 at 1:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote: The primitive fuckheads who invented him were evil fuckers.

Not to forget the fuckheads perpetuating the tale. They're even worse in my book, since they don't have the excuse of belonging to a mostly illiterate group of half nomadic Iron Age goat fuckers.
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#27
RE: Why would any Woman want to be a part of Christianity?
(July 21, 2015 at 1:20 pm)Nope Wrote: I know a lot of conservative religious people who practice a more authoritarian  type of parenting. If you are brought up in a  family with strict hierarchy where you, as the child, are on the bottom of the family then it is probably easier and more comforting to be part of a similar religion when you grow up. If your parents make all your decisions when you are a child, maybe that creates adults who don't want to make their own choices. So, a woman from such a family might gravitate toward a relationship where her husband had more control over her life.

I was thinking about this today. After listening to an awful lot of religious people, I get the impression that some of them feel the need for authority. Someone must be in charge, tell them what to do, and have the final say. They seem uncomfortable with being in control of their own life and decisions. It makes sense that this could be a hangover from childhood. I know my childhood still affects me.
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#28
RE: Why would any Woman want to be a part of Christianity?
(July 21, 2015 at 3:18 pm)robvalue Wrote:
(July 21, 2015 at 1:20 pm)Nope Wrote: I know a lot of conservative religious people who practice a more authoritarian  type of parenting. If you are brought up in a  family with strict hierarchy where you, as the child, are on the bottom of the family then it is probably easier and more comforting to be part of a similar religion when you grow up. If your parents make all your decisions when you are a child, maybe that creates adults who don't want to make their own choices. So, a woman from such a family might gravitate toward a relationship where her husband had more control over her life.

I was thinking about this today. After listening to an awful lot of religious people, I get the impression that some of them feel the need for authority. Someone must be in charge, tell them what to do, and have the final say. They seem uncomfortable with being in control of their own life and decisions. It makes sense that this could be a hangover from childhood. I know my childhood still affects me.
If you feel the need to have somebody else make decisions for you, then go get yourself a Top/Dom. It's true that some people need structure and someone else's opinions/decisions to help them out and keep their head straight. That's what subbing is for girls.
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#29
RE: Why would any Woman want to be a part of Christianity?
I'll bear that in mind Tongue
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RE: Why would any Woman want to be a part of Christianity?
(July 21, 2015 at 3:33 pm)robvalue Wrote: I'll bear that in mind Tongue

Im just saying that I need for Authority is not bad. Expressing the need for authority in an unhealthy way is. Expressing the need for authority in an unhealthy way is a bad thing. Some people are naturally happy serving (myself included), but a need to please shouldn't turn you into a doormat, or put you in abusive situations.
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