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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 24, 2015 at 2:44 pm
Let's not forget the best part of it - many tend to be against increasing access to contraceptives (not just the morning after drugs, but all contraceptives), even though they drastically reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, and thus abortions. Oh, and abstinence education doesn't work, either.
"You shouldn't be having sex" isn't a practical, or even desirable, approach to the problem.
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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 24, 2015 at 2:49 pm
(July 24, 2015 at 1:27 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I think you'll find pro-lifers are generally full of shit.
We all are. But they wear it inside out.
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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 24, 2015 at 3:57 pm
Quote:Pro-life… pro-life… These people aren’t pro-life, they’re killing doctors! What kind of pro-life is that? What, they’ll do anything they can to save a fetus but if it grows up to be a doctor they just might have to kill it?They’re not pro-life. You know what they are? They’re anti-woman. Simple as it gets, anti-woman. They don’t like them. They don’t like women.They believe a woman’s primary role is to function as a brood mare for the state.
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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 24, 2015 at 11:13 pm
Do you feel that a fetus is life or is it just some mass of tissue growing inside of a woman's body? Is it a separate being or tissue mass that is separate from the woman's body or part of her body? If someone is trying to preserve this living being, then they are pro-life in that regard. As far as concern for the mother, there are many of places that house and care for pregnant mothers that are funded and run by pro-life people. They also help find good parents to adopt any unwanted children. Where would you get the idea that pro-life people don't care for the mothers and children? The mothers in the US also can receive welfare benefits, withe medical costs covered, even when they come from wealthy families. Most abortions are not because the mother can't afford the child anyway, but rather just for convenience - just a form of birth control.
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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 25, 2015 at 12:16 am
(July 24, 2015 at 2:07 pm)c172 Wrote: Well, fetal murder is a thing. Not sure I've heard of fetal rape, though.
Pretty sure Alice would be down with that, though I hesitate to speak for she whose name must not be mentioned.
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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 25, 2015 at 12:19 am
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(July 24, 2015 at 11:13 pm)Lek Wrote: Do you feel that a fetus is life or is it just some mass of tissue growing inside of a woman's body?
I think that is for every woman to decide for herself. It probably means different things to different people but the person whose body is the host should have final say.
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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 25, 2015 at 12:22 am
(July 24, 2015 at 2:34 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Yep, after you birth em they are no longer their (pro-lifers) problem. The after birth issues magically disappear.
The abolitionists in the 1850's were the same way. Slave liberation was their goal. They had no plan for "the next day." In fairness, the southerners were right to resent that.
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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 25, 2015 at 12:25 am
(July 24, 2015 at 11:13 pm)Lek Wrote: just a form of birth control.
Do you really believe this Lek? In a world where a few bucks buys a variety of contraceptives, women are opting for an expensive medical treatment instead?!? Seriously?
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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 25, 2015 at 9:30 am
Pro-life = Wanting to control other people's decisions
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RE: Do 'pro-life' Christians ever . . .
July 25, 2015 at 10:53 am
(July 24, 2015 at 11:13 pm)Lek Wrote: Do you feel that a fetus is life or is it just some mass of tissue growing inside of a woman's body? Is it a separate being or tissue mass that is separate from the woman's body or part of her body? If someone is trying to preserve this living being, then they are pro-life in that regard. As far as concern for the mother, there are many of places that house and care for pregnant mothers that are funded and run by pro-life people. They also help find good parents to adopt any unwanted children. Where would you get the idea that pro-life people don't care for the mothers and children? The mothers in the US also can receive welfare benefits, withe medical costs covered, even when they come from wealthy families.
The VAST majority (91.4%) of abortions are performed before 13 weeks. ( link to CDC data) So yes, most are a group of cells. 98.7% of all abortions are performed before a fetus is viable (<21 weeks). So yes, until the point where the fetus could survive outside of the mother, the overwhelming majority of abortions are non viable tissue.
You seem to think it's easy to gestate and birth a baby. That it's a non life-threatening, non-serious thing to undergo. And forcing a woman who doesn't want to (for WHATEVER reason) is taking control of her reproductive rights. Don't like abortions? Don't have one. It's easy to say, just have the baby and put it up for adoption! This completely discounts the earthquake that happens to your life because of an unwanted pregnancy. Unpaid maternal leave, postpartum, pregnancy complications, emotional distress in giving up a child, Obstetrical costs, etc.
If a person doesn't wish to go through that, what is it your business to force them to?
(July 24, 2015 at 11:13 pm)Lek Wrote: Most abortions are not because the mother can't afford the child anyway, but rather just for convenience - just a form of birth control.
Are you not embarrassed when you just spout whatever you feel without any sort of evidence to back it up? You don't like the idea of abortion, therefore most women who choose that route are using abortion as birth control?
How about this, then: most people who say that sort of thing just hate women and want to control their reproductive rights. Does that contain any sort of truth just because I said it?
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