Another man looking for truth

[Ben Davis]

Yeah, sorry to derail the thread a little but just like robvalue, I can't let these comment lie.

I noticed, Atheism is taking this higher meaning and destroying it to an extreme of living a purposeless, miserable life, disregarding all spirituality with the abusing of the word "science".

This is nonsense. Rob picked up the 'atheism/naturalism' bit but being a naturalist does not make one purposeless, miserable or any of the other misrepresentations you fallaciously listed above. Neither does being a naturalist make one 'unspiritual'; for example I recognise beauty, the sublime, I'm moved by music, art, dance, community, deep personal relationships and all the other things that move someone 'spiritual'. I simply assign no supernatural component to those emotions & experiences. For me, that lack of the supernatural makes them even more important and cherished.

The belief that you are nothing after physical death is indeed, miserable.

For many people, the absolute opposite is true; the realisation that this is the only life we get is the motivator for their lives, driving action, feeding purpose. You're making an unrepresentative generalisation.

More importantly it's not true.

Citation needed.

Our search for higher meaning was never answered because our current "answers" are just not true. That's why so many people are confused.

Actually, I'm confused by the term 'higher meaning'. What does this mean? I'd suggest that it's such supernatural woo that creates confusion and distracts people from the real quest for meaning in our lives: divining one's own meaning.

Even an atheist has no freaking idea of the meaning of life he just lives a purposeless, materialistic life, full of absolute nothing.

Once again, this is a false generalisation, untrue of the majority of atheists.

Which is not true. Life is full of meaning and beauty.

I agree with this but there's no need for any supernatural components to the understanding, appreciation and experience of meaning and beauty.

Humans would be much happier with the understanding that they are not just mechanic, physical robots.

The fact that we're biological organisms doesn't make us automata. Once again, you miss the point: the facts of human biological operation in no way detract from the reality of human experience. Why should we assign any supernatural qualities to it?

And that they are actually advanced spiritual beings.

Once again, citation needed.

[robvalue]

Nicely stated, thanks Ben

I think people imagine what their own logical conclusions of atheism would be, and assume this is what atheists actually think. This method is almost always going to give bad results. Better to just ask, this is an atheist forum after all! I don't go to Christian forums and tell them all about themselves.

[ignoramus]

They don't want to ask, Rob.
There are only 2 positions ...you either believe or you don't.
I would hazard a guess and predict that anyone who "hates, dislikes or is threatened by atheism, is subconsciously unhappy with their religious position.
Knowing that there is no way out, they "invent" the opposing atheist position to be infinitely worse than their current situation. Mental damage control is a constant part of indoctrination.

[robvalue]

Indeed! Also, (weak) atheism can't be wrong, and people don't like that.

[ShiningSerpent]

[Iroscato]

You'd get along well with my aunt. She's fucking nuts.

And stop posting links. You'll only be warned and possibly banned, especially when they're so insultingly stupid.

[ignoramus]

This Chakra shit looks highly scientific!
I'm ringing MIT in the morning to sign up for a doctorate!
Because fuck you all! (Besides my scrotum tells me I need it for survival!)

[Ben Davis]

[ignoramus]

Serpent, if spiritual stuff could be proven scientifically, you wouldn't need to believe that they can be.

[Longhorn]

Serpent, if spiritual stuff could be proven scientifically, you wouldn't need to believe that they can be.

he gone. Up in pagan heaven I reckon, the hammer done got him good