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(September 24, 2015 at 5:22 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: These people are making me seriously reconsider my recent decision to roll up a Paladin for my Pathfinder group.
Back in my full-on D&D geek days (during the late Middle Ages known as the '80s), I had a lawful evil cleric who was a lot of fun. I got to let out my rotten, scheming inner-son-of-a-bitch on a regular basis, and there wasn't a hell of a lot my fellow players could do about it since I was the only character in the group who could heal. Think "Iago runs a protection racket".
We normally love engaging on all of the topics you cited.
We probably argue through one to two of them weekly, I'd say. Mainly, we're exhausted from doing it so much, and getting the same kind of dishonest replies from the people who come here with their "challenges".
Copypasta is not a citation relevant to the argument, it's making the entire argument in someone else's (plagiarized) words. It's also deeply disrespectful because you did it that way, spamming us, instead of posting a link to peruse at our leisure, or of summarizing it in your own words, so we'd know we were arguing with you and not a website.
The fact that you are already calling us "dishonest" (and worse) tells me the opinion you have of atheists. Try to imagine if I came onto a Catholic forum and talked to the Catholics like you're talking to us.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
September 24, 2015 at 5:31 pm (This post was last modified: September 24, 2015 at 5:56 pm by TheRocketSurgeon.)
(September 24, 2015 at 5:27 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:
(September 24, 2015 at 5:22 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: These people are making me seriously reconsider my recent decision to roll up a Paladin for my Pathfinder group.
Back in my full-on D&D geek days (during the late Middle Ages known as the '80s), I had a lawful evil cleric who was a lot of fun. I got to let out my rotten, scheming inner-son-of-a-bitch on a regular basis, and there wasn't a hell of a lot my fellow players could do about it since I was the only character in the group who could heal. Think "Iago runs a protection racket".
Shakespeare reference. Nice!
I'm currently playing an Inquisitor, a sort of off-Paladin type who does the "dirty work" of the church (they have more magic than a Pally, but less fighting capacity like a Cleric, but they have other skills like Ranger-type tracking and a few Rogue-skills). It has been a lot of fun, but we're coming to the end of this module, so I'm thinking of whether to continue this guy to higher levels or roll up a full Pally.
Addendum to Explain Pathfinder:
It dawns on me that if you played in the 80s, you don't know 3rd Edition D&D, which is the basis for the Pathfinder game. Instead of THAC0, they use a system of adding all numbers together, starting with a "Base Attack Bonus" that goes up by level, at different rates, depending on the character class. It's a lot easier than THAC0 calculations; we call it the d20 system. "Warrior" types, like the Fighter, Ranger, Barbarian, and Paladin start at BAB 1 and go up by 1 at each level. When you reach BAB 6, you get a second attack, so your BAB reads 6/1. A Paladin at level 20, then, would have a BAB of 20/15/10/5, four attacks per round, of decreasing likelihood to hit. Wizards and Sorcerers (full spellcasters) get the lowest BAB progression, starting at 0, then going 1, 1, 2, 2, 3...up to a max at level 20 of 10/5. In between that are the rest of the classes, from Rogue (thief) to Cleric, and their progression goes 0, 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6, 7... up to 15/10/5. The Inquisitor is in that group. Depending on balancing factors like what skills they have (like a Rogue's ability to Disable Traps), they have various "spell tree" progressions. Paladins and Rangers, with all their fighting skills, have the lowest, maxing at 4th level spells that they only attain at class level 17. Next is the Bard and the Inquisitor, who max at 6th level spells (also at 17), while the Cleric and Druid can go clear up to the Wizard's level 9 spells (though they get few skills, and their spells aren't as useful in battle as those of a Wiz or Sorc). In battle, my Inquisitor functions a bit like your Cleric would have, before, as a second-line fighter, but with some healing spells and a few Rogue-like tricks he can pull. It's a jack-of-all-trades class, and very versatile but challenging to play. I like playing a religious fanatic; I've modeled him as somewhere between a young Torquemada and Rhadam Asunawa from Wheel of Time. Ironically, our Ranger in the party is played by a guy who's getting his PhD in Theology and Christian Education, and his character is an ardent atheist, while I the real-life atheist am playing a religious fanatic. We have bonded over this fact.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
(September 24, 2015 at 5:31 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Its like watching a train wreck about to happen...
Perhaps, but I hope this one has staying power. When I first saw Randy chime in on this thread, the first thing that came to mind was the possibility of a Catholic, copy/paste tag team -- a kind of apologetics midget wrestling team.
Mods, rules are rules and you have to do your jobs . . . but apologetics midget wrestling!
(September 24, 2015 at 5:48 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: When I first saw Randy chime in on this thread, the first thing that came to mind was the possibility of a Catholic, copy/paste tag team -- a kind of apologetics midget wrestling team.
Mods, rules are rules and you have to do your jobs . . . but apologetics midget wrestling!
(September 24, 2015 at 4:45 pm)Grehoman Ebenezer Wrote:
(September 24, 2015 at 4:41 pm)Faith No More Wrote: My favorite part of each of these evangelicals that regurgitate nonsense is that each of them acts like they are bringing something new to the table. I think it boils down to the misconception that atheists are only non-believers because they haven't heard the arguments.
If you will not believe you will not be saved.Am worried about you that you will not be able to make it to heaven.
"But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."Revelation 21:8
There is no God. There is no heaven. There is no hell. The Bible is an offensive book of fables.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
September 24, 2015 at 6:48 pm (This post was last modified: September 24, 2015 at 6:49 pm by pocaracas.)
The mark of a con is to create a problem and then present the solution.
The problem: afterlife. Who doesn't desire it?
The solution: believe in me, or suffer the afterlife penalty.
Prove to us that your religion (whichever it may be) does not fall in this category.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
