The real message of Islam.

[Edwardo Piet]

[WinterHold]

Rythem

It only matters, when your whole stream of "arguments" against a certain faith is based on it.
Yet, you negate what you previously believed and built upon, to deliver an attack on the fait. An attack you can't resist, it's so tempting (this pedophile argument)

What argument?  Didn't I already say that it isn't an argument?  I'm -asking- you, and you're doing everything but answering.  Your boy fuck kids or not?  The question can't be any simpler.  Will I take the moral advice of a kiddie fucker, no.  Do I find your evasion and discomfort amusing, yes.

Not aliens, btw, you say...so they came from the earth?  What desert spring did allah rise up out of?

Evasion ? do you think I'm a fighter jet doing maneuvers ?

He didn't ! the sources which said he did, are the same sources which said that an anti christ would come riding a donkey with the distance of 60 arms between its ears.

The universe as a whole, which contains space, is just one "realm". It's called "the lower heaven"; السماء الدنيا. God created 6 other realms; so the sum is 7. God is above all of that. In other words; God is not an alien. 

Evie

Earth has signs for the believers, in ourselves there are signs; too, and in the skies. If you live by the coast, go their at dawn before the sun rises, and see for yourself. I'm not trying to be Pocahontas. The idea is taken from verses from the Quran.

Ignoramus

It also leads to how sophisticated human minds are. Life fingerprints, we are different and unique; each and every one of us. Everybody is looking for something. 

This desire is manipulated by so many factors, that's why you'll get these different interpretation. In my view, if people learned to balance their emotions and logic, they will control the desire and follow in the right belief. 

MrNoMorePropaganda

1. Christianity was created by accident () - why not stop the crucifixion from happening in the first place instead of deceiving people

Rome made the mistake of "misidentifying" Jesus. They "thought" they crucified Jesus but they didn't. Notice this; MNMP : thinking that "God converted a man into Jesus's image i.e making a magical doppelganger" is an idea originated from the Hadith; the Quran said it loud and clear that Rome had mistaken Jesus for somebody else. 

Then again, it's not like "God" is fighting the war; he's only testing humans, if God wanted war Rome would've ended in a matter of days.
It was a prophet sent to people, with a book that would save them from hell.
When thinking about Quranic verses and concepts MNMP, the original story of Adam, Eve, Satan, and this test, must be taken into account. 

2. Allah was not able to prevent previous (Christian and Jewish) scriptures from being corrupted. The Quran exists because prior Christian and Jewish scripture was not protected by Allah, even though Quran 6:114-115 says: " Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah? - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt.(114) The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.(115)"

It wasn't that "he couldn't". He simply allowed it to happen. 
It's always the mistake of the people; it's their test after all.

Allah didn't prevent the Sunna and Shia from forming two distinct sects and confuse people about the truth of Islam. He sure didn't stop me, from saying my opinion too.

His word didn't change : people agreed (with a majority) to forge the Talmud, so the Bible came. 
People then again, agreed with a majority to forget the Bible, so the Quran came.

The Bible and the Tulmud though, contain leftovers from the truth, leftovers enough to fix the crisis Israel started for instance ?
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm

God told them to follow some sentences from it; which the Quran affirmed.  Not the whole thing. Hence :

( Sura 3 85 )   And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.


Brian37

I do agree on the magical part you mentioned; it's nothing but selling lies; though if God wanted to he might accept one's prayer, or simply give one a miracle, but that is not a rule of thumb. After all, we suffer, that is life. That is the test. Miracles happen Brian.

You must bring an evidence; Brian. I honestly believe that even planets and gravity follow God's word; his laws are at present in nature.

Minimalist

I would give your comment the benifit of the doubt if that rifle was created in a  Muslim country.
To be honest; ALL weapons in the world come from non-believers; I mean the only thing "Muslims" are good at making is "falafel" and "shawerma".

robvalue

I actually believe he is capable of everything.

[The Grand Nudger]

Evasion ? do you think I'm a fighter jet doing maneuvers ?

No, because then you might dodge a shot every now and again, rather than planting your face into every single one.  

He didn't ! the sources which said he did, are the same sources which said that an anti christ would come riding a donkey with the distance of 60 arms between its ears.

You mean to tell me.......that sources regarding the life of Mo are untrustworthy?  Imagine that.......................

The universe as a whole, which contains space, is just one "realm". It's called "the lower heaven"; السماء الدنيا. God created 6 other realms; so the sum is 7. God is above all of that. In other words; God is not an alien. 

Numerology, therefore what again?

[Edwardo Piet]

Evie

Earth has signs for the believers, in ourselves there are signs; too, and in the skies. If you live by the coast, go their at dawn before the sun rises, and see for yourself. I'm not trying to be Pocahontas. The idea is taken from verses from the Quran.

Yeah Earth does have signs here for the believers. It also has signs here for the non-believers. 
Besides, signs are useful, especially for drivers. What's your point?

No I'm not being a disingenuous cunt, I know exactly what you meant but I couldn't take you seriously.

But for what it's worth here is the serious answer:

There are no signs of God: God made it very clear he is so special that he needs to be completely indistinguishable from his non-existence.

[robvalue]

I've already claimed the sun as evidence for me being God. You can't have it.

[ReptilianPeon]

So in relation to Quranm 4:157, Allah doesn't care if the biggest religion, a religion of Shirk, is created? Why? It's still bad if Allah allowed it to happen instead of the supposed Hadith interpretation of Allah actively decieving people.

How can people not know that it wasn't Jesus? You'd think someone that well known ay that time would not be mistaken for someone else. The Romans loved their records and, because of this, people have begun question whether Jesus even existed.

I really dislike the story of Adam and Eve. Don't get me started. There's so many issues I see with it.

In relation to Quran 3:85, I bring Quran 2:62
"Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."

So Christians, Jews, Samaritans (who also follow Jewish scripture) and Sabains will all be accepted by Allah. This seems to be in direct contradiction to Quran 3:85. If Christians are committing Shirk then how can they get into Jannah? After all, Quran 5:73 says this: "They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them."

For Quran 2:62 to be true, Christians must not be committing Shirk (i.e. belief in the Trinity) at the time the Quran was being revealed. But Quran 5:73 says that they were believers in the Trinity at the time. I am very confused. Is it the case that within the space of just a few short years (between the revaluation of Quran 5:73 and Quran 2:62) enough Christians start believing in the Trinity to justify Quran 5:73? I find that hard to believe.

So even though Quran 6:114-115 says none can change the words of Allah, the words of Allah changed. When were the words of Allah in the previous scriptures changed? Was it before Muhammad or after? If it was before, why would Allah wait to correct the scriptures? And secondly, where is this "uncorrupted" version of the Bible? How come we haven't found a Bible that agrees with the Quran?

[The Grand Nudger]

"Dark forces"...........?

[Brian37]

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What argument?  Didn't I already say that it isn't an argument?  I'm -asking- you, and you're doing everything but answering.  Your boy fuck kids or not?  The question can't be any simpler.  Will I take the moral advice of a kiddie fucker, no.  Do I find your evasion and discomfort amusing, yes.

Not aliens, btw, you say...so they came from the earth?  What desert spring did allah rise up out of?

Evasion ? do you think I'm a fighter jet doing maneuvers ?

He didn't ! the sources which said he did, are the same sources which said that an anti christ would come riding a donkey with the distance of 60 arms between its ears.

The universe as a whole, which contains space, is just one "realm". It's called "the lower heaven"; السماء الدنيا. God created 6 other realms; so the sum is 7. God is above all of that. In other words; God is not an alien. 

Evie

Earth has signs for the believers, in ourselves there are signs; too, and in the skies. If you live by the coast, go their at dawn before the sun rises, and see for yourself. I'm not trying to be Pocahontas. The idea is taken from verses from the Quran.

Ignoramus

It also leads to how sophisticated human minds are. Life fingerprints, we are different and unique; each and every one of us. Everybody is looking for something. 

This desire is manipulated by so many factors, that's why you'll get these different interpretation. In my view, if people learned to balance their emotions and logic, they will control the desire and follow in the right belief. 

MrNoMorePropaganda

1. Christianity was created by accident () - why not stop the crucifixion from happening in the first place instead of deceiving people

Rome made the mistake of "misidentifying" Jesus. They "thought" they crucified Jesus but they didn't. Notice this; MNMP : thinking that "God converted a man into Jesus's image i.e making a magical doppelganger" is an idea originated from the Hadith; the Quran said it loud and clear that Rome had mistaken Jesus for somebody else. 

Then again, it's not like "God" is fighting the war; he's only testing humans, if God wanted war Rome would've ended in a matter of days.
It was a prophet sent to people, with a book that would save them from hell.
When thinking about Quranic verses and concepts MNMP, the original story of Adam, Eve, Satan, and this test, must be taken into account. 

2. Allah was not able to prevent previous (Christian and Jewish) scriptures from being corrupted. The Quran exists because prior Christian and Jewish scripture was not protected by Allah, even though Quran 6:114-115 says: " Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah? - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt.(114) The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all.(115)"

It wasn't that "he couldn't". He simply allowed it to happen. 
It's always the mistake of the people; it's their test after all.

Allah didn't prevent the Sunna and Shia from forming two distinct sects and confuse people about the truth of Islam. He sure didn't stop me, from saying my opinion too.

His word didn't change : people agreed (with a majority) to forge the Talmud, so the Bible came. 
People then again, agreed with a majority to forget the Bible, so the Quran came.

The Bible and the Tulmud though, contain leftovers from the truth, leftovers enough to fix the crisis Israel started for instance ?
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm

God told them to follow some sentences from it; which the Quran affirmed.  Not the whole thing. Hence :

( Sura 3 85 )   And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.


Brian37

I do agree on the magical part you mentioned; it's nothing but selling lies; though if God wanted to he might accept one's prayer, or simply give one a miracle, but that is not a rule of thumb. After all, we suffer, that is life. That is the test. Miracles happen Brian.

You must bring an evidence; Brian. I honestly believe that even planets and gravity follow God's word; his laws are at present in nature.

Minimalist

I would give your comment the benifit of the doubt if that rifle was created in a  Muslim country.
To be honest; ALL weapons in the world come from non-believers; I mean the only thing "Muslims" are good at making is "falafel" and "shawerma".

robvalue

I actually believe he is capable of everything.

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Humans are capable of violence, there is no magical sky wizard doing anything. We believe you when you say you believe in your god. What we doubt is your perception of what you think is real. It is YOU wanting the god to be real, the god is only in your brain because you like the idea of having a hero. It is a false perception.

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