The real message of Islam.

[downbeatplumb]

The real message of Islam. as far as I can tell is, "We hate you and everything about you.........join us"

[Anomalocaris]

The real point seems to be "be dicks like us or we cut off your head, or if we can't, we'll tell you stupid stories we think would scare the shit out of you, because we are too stupid to imagine you could be less stupid then we are".

[WinterHold]

robvalue

Just copied what was written; after all.

Actually there's a story behind this "message"; the "Adam, Eve & Satan" incident which led the human race to be banished from paradise, the kick of which started this test that either ends with hell or paradise.

And yes; it's "obey" or "suffer the consequences", what happens to fish if they try to swim on land ? or what happens to earth, if it starts to rotate backwards ?

Negating one of his laws means destruction. Yet again, don't allow yourself to fall into the trap of picturing him as an other creation.

Homeless Nutter

The book contains wisdom that is enough for believers to survive doubts.
We were one. Jews and Christians were one. Judaism and Christianity were forged, just like Islam is being forged now. Thus God sent Mohammed Peace be Upon Him.

Nobody would ever come after him with a new book; don't worry..

I miss Carlin's jokes..

ignoramus

Yes !
These verses :

( 34 )   And if you should obey a man like yourselves, indeed, you would then be losers.

( 35 )   Does he promise you that when you have died and become dust and bones that you will be brought forth [once more]?
( 36 )   How far, how far, is that which you are promised.
( 37 )   Life is not but our worldly life - we die and live, but we will not be resurrected.
( 38 )   He is not but a man who has invented a lie about Allah, and we will not believe him."

robvalue

Is it the same boss who's going to fuck me up if I don't become a Christian? Or a different one?

No. That boss died at the hands  of snake (who became big boss; and lost himself forever after pulling the trigger).

abaris

Actually, I never found another message. Be my guest and study the Quran to make sure, Abaris.
Warner and bringer of good tidings. If you find another reason (which falls under a different category) why Mohammed is sent; I'll consider you my hero.

robvalue

Right. This is what I tried to get him to take ownership of before. He is threatening us. For some reason, these kinds of threats are socially acceptable.

I guess it's because it's as scary as a child telling you the bogey man will get you if you don't eat your veg.

Prosecute me !
And after all, aren't we all being threatened since the day we are born ?

Don't smoke weed, you'll go to Jail if you curse the government, piss your pants when an offices passes by (and give him a kiss or he will electrocute you to death)., pay taxes to a wallstreet fat cat or you'll rot in jail..etc.

Please rob..some of these "obay or rot in our gangsta & crooked cops " filled prisons are already the human version of hell on earth xD

an Arab motto says : one should not throw rock at people's houses, when his house is made out of glass..
the woodsman door is broken.
باب النجار مخلع

Brian37

How are you Brian37 ? remembering you from my older days here : you've been off for a while..

The thing is, I do think we already chose this life before :

( Sura 7 Verse 172 )   And [mention] when your Lord took from the children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants and made them testify of themselves, [saying to them], "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we have testified." [This] - lest you should say on the day of Resurrection, "Indeed, we were of this unaware."

I truly think those who arrive to this life, told God already that they believe in him..I believe it.

Anyhow, for self defense. I would defend myself indeed, do you want me to remain in my place while a crazy phsyco tries to take my wallet ?
Nah, I think I'll punch him..

Let him draw, I'll draw.
Let him cease, I'll cease.

Anyhow, I won't pay words with punches, neither would I pay a punch with a mere word unless I want to forgive "sometimes you have to defend yourself,sadly "..
It's wrong to pay a cartoon with a slaughter, a Muslim, christian or jew who says it's allowed, is as simply a criminal.

And then again Brian, the Quran contradicts you, because "the monster" you speak about (I call him as taught us; the merciful) said :

(Sura 60 Verse 8 )   Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.

But do you want me to treat an aggressor invader freak, with flowers ???
Rather, I will put up a fight that I give it my all..protecting my wallet, remember ?
Or my girlfriend, who might get raped.

The world is full of freaks, my religion gave me permission to fight freaks the same way they fight me.

And then brian, the Quran never mentioned a single verse about stoning (or even encourged it); go and revise the book.
All what Muslims have is a Hadith.



robvalue

What are you hoping to achieve here, Atlas?

We're all well aware of the threats various religions scream out to try and scare people into joining the cult. Are you just trying to score points with your God?

It pains me to see the forgery.

I will fight this forgery.

MrNoMorePropaganda

Sunnies.
Ask him to show the verse from the Quran.

To make sure who has the "real version", read the source (Quran).

[robvalue]

I see you like making a lot of false equivalences and tu quoque fallacies to justify threatening us. You refuse to own the fact that you are indeed threatening us, because there's no one else around except for what may be going on in your head.

Why would we care about forgeries in a story book?

[Spooky]

I had bacon with my eggs this morning. My bacon tastes better than your god.

[ReptilianPeon]

AtlasS33, it's true that Rajm isn't mentioned in the Quran, but the majority of the Ummah, unfortunately, consider the Hadith to be a perfectly acceptable situation, even though different groups cannot agree on which Hadith to use. I agree with your view that the Hadith are not good sources of information but you're in a minority. Hence, you had people in the eDialogue chat accusing you of being Kuffar. That doesn't make you a conveyor of a "fake message" (because even if everyone believed something that wouldn't make it true) but casts doubt in my mind (since the majority of the Ummah use Hadith). Maybe they are uneducated, sure, but they obviously have their reasons for using the Hadith that they use.

[Minimalist]

This seems to cover it.






Just silly shit.

[Mystic]

God knows there would be people looking for guidance. Islam is about providing enlightenment and a path to follow, it's about providing guidance so people are guided through the Mastery of God from the darkness to the light. There is no path straighter then that of an example of another.   Outward actions show only so much of the path while a vision of the inward spirit of actions is needed to imitate to ascend the straight path.

The book of God not only emphasized on a book from God but upon leaders and Guides from God. It emphasized that God chose Imams like Ibrahim, Isaac, and Yaqoub in the past. It emphasized that they would guide people by God's Command. It showed aside from their leadership as Prophets they were bestowed a leadership that for example Ibrahim attained after being a Messenger and Prophet. This leadership is comprehensive guidance and leading upon the journey through out the journey.

The guidance is that of God's Name, "by the name of God is it's sailing and anchoring", and the final covenant and path God wants people to take has been described as:

Say: no wage do I ask for it except who wants to take towards his a lord a path
Say: no wage do I ask for it except the love in my near kin.
Say: whatever wage I have asked for it so then it is for yourselves.

Loving the family of Mohammad is loving both God and the light of God in humanity,  it's to love the pure praise that is to God in humanity and appreciating the treasures of God in all humans, by foremost appreciating the best of humans. It's also loving the path that is towards God and it's loving those who are close and near to God, and it's loving sincerity to God and it's loving the exalted reason and reflection the Quran calls to, and it's loving Mohammad and his example, and it's loving the companionship and guidance of Mohammad, which is the guidance of God.

Whoever tries to by pass the wage of the message, is shown, that he doesn't appreciate the message as it ought to be appreciated.

[robvalue]

That's your opinion, but you state it as fact.

There is no correct interpretation, there are just the words on the page. Since there is no way to test any particular interpretation, they are all as good as each other.

Overview / Summary of Violence in the Qur'an

* 114 chapters in the Qur'an.
* 140 verses mention the Fire of hell.
* 221 verses mention the doom that awaits unbelievers.
* 50 chapters out of 114 refer to doom = 44% of chapters in the Qur'an refer to doom.
* 89 chapters mention either doom or hell or both (i.e only 25 chapters don't mention doom or hell).
* Of those 25 chapters that don't mention doom or hell, many of them have references to violence or the day of judgment.
* Only about 12 chapters are relatively benign and not mentioning violence in some form. (About 10% of the Qur'an).
* 90% of the chapters in the Qur'an contain messages of doom, hell, or violence for all non-Muslims.
* 109 verses that command violent offensive jihad against non-Muslims (See here)
* 164 violent jihad verses in the Qur'an (see here)
* 91 commands to obey and imitate Muhammad (who often waged offensive jihad - See the list here Note - some of the 91 commands are oblique as Muhammad is identified with Moses and Noah).

http://godorabsurdity.blogspot.co.uk/201...-fire.html

[IATIA]

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