(November 21, 2015 at 8:35 am)KevinM1 Wrote: Again, I have to ask what is the long term plan for the refugees? The debate is focused on whether or not to let them in at all, but I haven't heard much in the way of what the plan is once they're here. Once the immediate humanitarian crisis is addressed, then what?They go on Social Security, get business and house loans, become tax exempt for a few years, get college admissions, and piss and moan about being mistreated.
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I don't know how exactly someone can just announce to all Muslims that they are the new leader and that what they say about the Quran goes. The fact that people are busy slaughtering each other over different interpretations doesn't give me hope that they'll buy it. It will be more like who is left alive.
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Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists. Index of useful threads and discussions Index of my best videos Quickstart guide to the forum (November 21, 2015 at 9:09 am)robvalue Wrote: Killing innocent, uninvolved people should never be considered a "reaction" other than that of a deranged psycopath. It seems brutal religious indoctrination and the right culture can produce large numbers of people who don't care about anyone not in their cult.In the Old Testament only Jews were called men. The Middle East is a den of religious nuttery. (November 21, 2015 at 12:06 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:It would have been better if they had gone to the largest muslim country, Indonesia, and the home of Islam, Saudi Arabia. Turkey has always wanted to rule the area so Turkey should have taken a million or so. Then some could have gone to Somalia, since those guys there are so Islamic.(November 21, 2015 at 8:35 am)KevinM1 Wrote: Again, I have to ask what is the long term plan for the refugees? The debate is focused on whether or not to let them in at all, but I haven't heard much in the way of what the plan is once they're here. Once the immediate humanitarian crisis is addressed, then what? (November 21, 2015 at 12:14 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:But it's biblical to blame people for what their ancestors did. http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law...3_03b.html(November 21, 2015 at 11:59 am)Minimalist Wrote: When xtianity had actual totalitarian control over large populations they were pretty much dicks, too. Perhaps you remember? (November 21, 2015 at 2:55 pm)Dystopia Wrote:(November 21, 2015 at 12:03 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: We can see MK here, our resident Muslim, and see that he is a perfectly good and moral person. If his interpretation/understanding of the Koran and of Islam was some sort of official Islamic law, documented in their doctrine, it would be completely fine. The Islam religion doesn't need to be obliterated. Just reformed. Actually, yes I am lol. I spent my whole life in Catholic groups/communities and I am a very accurate representation of a practicing Catholic in the US. Can't say anything about MK though, I guess he can confirm or deny this.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh (November 21, 2015 at 2:37 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Americans always think that training and education will solve all problems. Sometimes whacking the idiot upside his head with a club is more effective.Quote:It keeps happening because of the root of the problem: the fact that there is no order in Islam Speaking of Mosul, Saud conquered Riyadh with just 40 men. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Saud How few will it take to conquer Paris and Berlin? RE: Muslims
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(November 21, 2015 at 3:09 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(November 21, 2015 at 2:23 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I dunno... I don't think it's right for us, as the richest and most powerful country in the world, to sit back and let them kill innocent people and children. Not only that, but they won't just keep the slaughtering on their own soil. They will terrorize the West and kill people there too... as they have always done. And then of course, we have the problem of refugees leaving the country and needing to find a home somewhere... which is what is happening now. Answer to the bold blue: That's what I'm saying, though. Christianity and Islam are not exactly the same, and won't react the same and have the same problems. The New Testament is not the same as the Koran, the same way that Jesus is not the same as Mohammad. Different religions, different cultures, different history, different ideologies, different traditions, and so and so on. I know you hate religion, but that does not mean all religions are the same. There's plenty of diversity, and not all religious people are going to act the same way, especially if they are from different religions.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh (November 21, 2015 at 3:32 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:These good Muslim folks, who are the majority, need to face this problem head on and figure out how they're going to deal with it. Like I said earlier, when I say "good Muslim" I just mean a good person to our 21st century standards. This does not need to be explained or analyzed. Someone who doesn't go around killing people and forcing others to believe what they believe... or someone who supports either of those acts.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh (November 21, 2015 at 12:03 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: We can see MK here, our resident Muslim, and see that he is a perfectly good and moral person. If his interpretation/understanding of the Koran and of Islam was some sort of official Islamic law, documented in their doctrine, it would be completely fine. The Islam religion doesn't need to be obliterated. Just reformed. Thanks for your kind words. I am no authority in religion. All I can do is voice what I believe, and if it's on insight, perhaps others will see it. The Quran is mostly a silent teacher. It's not meant to speak unless a speaker makes it speak. I believe God chosen leaders to guide us, but as they were rejected, he safeguarded the final one and cut him off from the community. I think ultimately we need that chosen leader that God will manifest and unite humanity upon. A lot of my views to the credit is due to my parents. My dad for example when once I tried to speak about the wisdom of cutting off fingers when stealing explained in a long conversation about context, time and place, and how now we have institutions of reforming people that back then they could not afford due to the circumstance the Prophet and his followers were in. He also believers other laws might have been for the circumstance (since for example society was so engrossed in fornication in public places it was necessary to be put some harsh rules). I myself don't know if such a rule was meant for a certain time or all time. I would say those laws are perhaps eternal in the sense if the circumstance ever came up again, it would be required. However in different circumstances the laws don't apply. But as others say, we are a minority. And we aren't scholars. |
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