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RE: Morality versus afterlife
January 16, 2016 at 3:54 pm
(January 16, 2016 at 11:00 am)ktrap Wrote: Irrational
(January 15, 2016 at 11:21 pm)ktrap Wrote: Therefore, why even consider morals, just behave out of whim, tantalize your senses and let your mind run wild!!!
Because morals are about cooperation and harmony with others, and about enhancing one's self. Why does everything have to be God or accountability when it comes to espousing morals?
Even if you believe God does not exist, do you still feel sorry for your bad actions or bad thoughts? No, because there are no consequences to them, which means you don't want to be accountable for them. I am not talking about extreme immoral behavior like murder or rape, etc. There are laws for that. I am talking about behavior where society has not put laws in place, like adultery, etc. Actions that can hurt someone (verbal/emotional) but really you are not going to be punished by the legal system. Do you feel sorry? How do you repent? An apology does not suffice !!
Yeah, I do feel sorry for many acts I commit that harm others. What do you think I am, a psychopath?
And yes, sometimes I do repent ... for the sake of myself and others, not for some invisible being.
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RE: Morality versus afterlife
January 16, 2016 at 4:27 pm
It's hilarious to see Christians like ktrap flounder with their inability to understand that atheists can be moral without a parental figure watching over them. In their minds, we cannot be anything but psychopathic nihilists, which is dumb.
Most people have empathy for others, which is a combination of both biological and social evolution. We're social animals. Our greatest advantage is the ability to create communities. Everything else springs from that. So, yeah, we understand that harming (not just physically, but emotionally) others damages ourselves. Because we have developed the Theory of Mind (look it up... although you probably won't) and understand that most others think and feel in similar ways to us, we know how certain actions will negatively affect others and strive to avoid doing so.
Indeed, studies have shown that atheists are actually more moral than theists ( http://news.berkeley.edu/2012/04/30/reli...enerosity/) because we don't believe that there's an invisible parental figure who will absolve us of our transgressions, and we don't believe we're getting an eternal do-over in the next life. All we have is now, so we try to not fuck it up for others.
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RE: Morality versus afterlife
January 16, 2016 at 8:59 pm
(January 16, 2016 at 3:27 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The consequences of my actions have and will continue to catch up with me long before I'm dead nutball. Go peddle hellfire elsewhere, we've had enough of late.
What are you afraid of ? What if you had to bear consequences after death ? Would you be able to accept it or cry?
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RE: Morality versus afterlife
January 16, 2016 at 9:08 pm
(This post was last modified: January 16, 2016 at 9:10 pm by ktrap.)
(January 16, 2016 at 4:27 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: It's hilarious to see Christians like ktrap flounder with their inability to understand that atheists can be moral without a parental figure watching over them. In their minds, we cannot be anything but psychopathic nihilists, which is dumb.
Most people have empathy for others, which is a combination of both biological and social evolution. We're social animals. Our greatest advantage is the ability to create communities. Everything else springs from that. So, yeah, we understand that harming (not just physically, but emotionally) others damages ourselves. Because we have developed the Theory of Mind (look it up... although you probably won't) and understand that most others think and feel in similar ways to us, we know how certain actions will negatively affect others and strive to avoid doing so.
Indeed, studies have shown that atheists are actually more moral than theists (http://news.berkeley.edu/2012/04/30/reli...enerosity/) because we don't believe that there's an invisible parental figure who will absolve us of our transgressions, and we don't believe we're getting an eternal do-over in the next life. All we have is now, so we try to not fuck it up for others.
What does this have to do with repenting on transgression you have committed? If you consider your moral ground higher than mine are you willing to repent each and everyone or just some? What if you can't get to all of them, would allow cosmic justice to deliver the verdict on the rest? You are avoiding this point. It seems you don't want to be accountable at any cost.
I, on the other hand, do not want to commit any transgression and if I have done any, I am more than willing to accept verdict for them, without fear.
Can you do the same?
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RE: Morality versus afterlife
January 16, 2016 at 9:10 pm
(January 16, 2016 at 3:54 pm)Irrational Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 11:00 am)ktrap Wrote: Irrational
Because morals are about cooperation and harmony with others, and about enhancing one's self. Why does everything have to be God or accountability when it comes to espousing morals?
Even if you believe God does not exist, do you still feel sorry for your bad actions or bad thoughts? No, because there are no consequences to them, which means you don't want to be accountable for them. I am not talking about extreme immoral behavior like murder or rape, etc. There are laws for that. I am talking about behavior where society has not put laws in place, like adultery, etc. Actions that can hurt someone (verbal/emotional) but really you are not going to be punished by the legal system. Do you feel sorry? How do you repent? An apology does not suffice !!
Yeah, I do feel sorry for many acts I commit that harm others. What do you think I am, a psychopath?
And yes, sometimes I do repent ... for the sake of myself and others, not for some invisible being.
Do you want to be accountable and accept the verdict for those acts?
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RE: Morality versus afterlife
January 16, 2016 at 9:14 pm
(January 16, 2016 at 9:10 pm)ktrap Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 3:54 pm)Irrational Wrote: Yeah, I do feel sorry for many acts I commit that harm others. What do you think I am, a psychopath?
And yes, sometimes I do repent ... for the sake of myself and others, not for some invisible being.
Do you want to be accountable and accept the verdict for those acts?
Verdict? lol, nothing I've done was so drastic as to require such a thing.
I've held myself accountable several times without the need for any silly god.
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RE: Morality versus afterlife
January 16, 2016 at 10:02 pm
(January 16, 2016 at 9:14 pm)Irrational Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 9:10 pm)ktrap Wrote: Do you want to be accountable and accept the verdict for those acts?
Verdict? lol, nothing I've done was so drastic as to require such a thing.
I've held myself accountable several times without the need for any silly god.
Self-scrutiny !!! What a joke!!
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RE: Morality versus afterlife
January 17, 2016 at 12:41 am
(January 16, 2016 at 10:02 pm)ktrap Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 9:14 pm)Irrational Wrote: Verdict? lol, nothing I've done was so drastic as to require such a thing.
I've held myself accountable several times without the need for any silly god.
Self-scrutiny !!! What a joke!!
What? You mean you don't do that? No wonder why you don't come off as a bright fellow.
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RE: Morality versus afterlife
January 17, 2016 at 3:10 pm
(January 17, 2016 at 12:41 am)Irrational Wrote: (January 16, 2016 at 10:02 pm)ktrap Wrote: Self-scrutiny !!! What a joke!!
What? You mean you don't do that? No wonder why you don't come off as a bright fellow.
You JERK OFF too much. You can not past self judgement on your own transgressions, I think that would be conflict of interest. You probably unaware of how court system works.
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RE: Morality versus afterlife
January 17, 2016 at 3:13 pm
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You're clearly unaware of how this forums works. Thankfully for the boards, no one will have to wait for you to die for you to learn how and by whom you'll be held accountable.
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