Angry Atheist: Michael Jackson, atheism and religion

[robvalue]

I don't see how that has anything to do with what I said. Thanks for trying though.

I don't want to worship anything. Don't you think that's a respectable position?

I don't care if I get bonus points for it or whatever. I'm not playing some silly game like that.

[brewer]

I think MJ owned a codpiece. You might want to get one also.

Good vid, there is no god, even if there was it should piss off.

Glad your clock is working!

[robvalue]

You and I seem to have a major communication issue MK. I have tried hard over my time here, I really have. But it seems like you can't understand what I'm trying to say, and I can't understand you either. So I think I'm going to have to call it a day. It's like you're talking about a different world, in another language. I can't make any sense of it. It's nothing personal.

Brewer: Thank you! Yeah that bad boy keeps on ticking

[Mystic]

I don't want to worship anything. Don't you think that's a respectable position?

I think it's a severe injustice to your soul, it doesn't harm God, but God's right over you is still there, and it's a greater right then all other rights.

I think your stance is influenced by dark false thinking, that, what you are doing has honor or merit. This is vanity in my view. You are immersed in your own opinion by whatever you say to be what you want (so you follow your low desires) and you make respectable to be what you want, while you don't do so on insight.

The issue is one thing in the sermon is that the Angels developed a little bit of vanity in worshiping God all those years, and when told a mortal in the earth would become a representative over them, they were in a little bit vain in their response.

So we see they were tried to the extent they had to prostrate to Adam, and God also showed them spiritual things they could not understand but had to not learn it from God, but from Adam who manifested to them spiritually in ways we cannot fathom in our present state.

Iblis however failed in this respect. 

The acts in Islam like prostrating in prayer to God, fasting, all this has an effect on the soul. Or it ought to. Unfortunately many of us are heedless in our prayer (salah) and we don't do it really in the spirit, so our outward form has little effect in producing inward results.

However with people who perform these acts with the spirit meant for them, they will see things, taste things, eat things, and understand wisdom that others don't. They will be immersed in vision of God's Signs, which in the Unseem realm beyond the 6 days, is very closely related to God.



In short Rob, you simply don't know what your missing out on and are making up standards for yourself with no basis in reality.

Lastly, if you have enough humbleness to be attracted and recognize the holy and exalted nature of the guide of our time, then you will see what journey he will take you by entering on the ship that steers and anchors by the name of God.

One day humanity will be unveiled the nature of the love of the Guides, and what journey lied in that path.

[robvalue]

Like I said, I can't understand you. That meant nothing to me I'm afraid.

[Mystic]

Like I said, I can't understand you. That meant nothing to me I'm afraid.

Two verses in two different chapters in Quran:

They said, "O Shu'ayb, we do not understand much of what you say, and indeed, we consider you among us as weak. And if not for your family, we would have stoned you [to death]; and you are not to us one respected."

Rather I am better than this (fellow) who is contemptible, and can hardly express himself clearly?



These words were spoken to exalted intellects and souls per Quran as well. It of course had nothing to do with communication or the truth not being manifest per Quran, and everything to do with the listeners self-imposing a block in their ears.

I'm not saying I am as clear as these Prophets.  

But perhaps it's not communication and it's inability, but non-willingness to listen? You don't want to perceive or discuss these things - so you just dismiss it as unclear to you?

This also goes for all the "word salad" comments from other people.

[robvalue]

If you're going to be like that, I'll have to lay it out.

You always seem to assume that if people don't agree with you or understand you, it's their fault. You never seem to consider that you might be wrong.

I've tried very hard to understand you, I really have. But I can't do it.

[vorlon13]

MK presented:

. . . They said, "O Shu'ayb, we do not understand much of what you say, and indeed, we consider you among us as weak. And if not for your family, we would have stoned you [to death]; and you are not to us one respected." . . .


Quite revealing, no ??

Rules that don't apply to everyone!! If there was any doubt Allah wasn't the same God the Jews and the Christians have a hardon for, that there is the clincher.


I'll be all a twitter the rest of the day.

[robvalue]

Aww yeah, that's sweet

Not getting stoned to death. How thoughtful.

Allah tells me in Surah 2 that he decided I won't believe in him. So it's hardly my fault, is it. And even if I did, I'd have no interest in associating with such an evil beast.

[vorlon13]

I might have to go pollute myself.