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RE: Questioning Beliefs
August 7, 2010 at 5:34 pm
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I know I fail to spell check and at times am a little dyslexic, and sometimes I'm typing too fast and add letters where they don't belong. My intention isn't to obfuscate any points though and I appreciate your patience.
The church of God movement is a step away from the segregation of Christianity through doctrine. We have jewish, muslim, pentacostal, orthodox and evangelical members. Well, we don't have a set membership really (we do have a voting membership), if you're a Christian you're a member. We try and keep the dogma to a minimum. For example : Some churches say that We believe in God and god is this, and that and everyone must do this but not that, etc. Where we say We believe in God and leave the individual path to that up to the individual. Some structure is of course necessary as an organization, but it's kept to a minimum where possible.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post
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RE: Questioning Beliefs
August 8, 2010 at 1:08 am
I was raised as a Christian by my mother who was loving, passionate, and uneducated. My father resented my beliefs because he is intelligent, rational, knowledgeable, and well read. I learned to think and question from my father, and I tried to use those skills to prove my father wrong and to convert him.
I studied the Bible. Then I looked for historical support on all I read in the Bible. There was none from the Greeks, the Romans, or the Egyptians. Needless to say that I feared some sort of conspiracy against the Bible and studied the Bible some more. Learned it from end to end and then I started to notice inconsistencies, and contradictions. I started to apply logic and I found the Bible illogical, and its messages immature. The next logical step for me was to find the origins of the Bible and the meaning of the word. Bible comes from the word Biblia, short form for Biblia Sacrata. Biblia is the plural of biblos which means book. Biblos was a city in Lebanon where books were first bound as such. Before that, documents were simply rolled up like maps. The world biblos meant book and biblia collection of books or encyclopaedia. Biblia Sacrata means sacred encyclopaedia. There were countless documents from the Jewish people and about the Jewish people as rolled up documents known as scrolls.
The catholic Jerome, or Saint Jerome, decided which of those scrolls to include in the Bible. The first edition was called Vulgata (Vulgate in English). He made the final decision as to what was and what wasn’t part of the Bible, not some god, unless you assume Jerome is god. The Bible itself describes god as some vicious, psychopath who is perfect, creates imperfect people, and punishes them for been imperfect. To give the pathetic, imperfect people he created a break, he sends his son to Earth so the imperfect ones can kill his son, so his son can come back to life because that is how the imperfect ones can save themselves from his vicious, psychopathic wrath. He doesn’t really have a son because the son is him. The word mythology has come to mean made up stories, but the Greeks believed in their mythology as the Christians believe in theirs. The difference is that Greek mythology was less nonsensical than Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.
The name Jesus is not a Hebrew name, but a Latin degeneration of the degenerated Greek version of Issa, the Hebrew short form for Joshua. Even the name is non sense. There is no historical evidence of Jesus existence by the Romans who were the rulers of Palestine/Israel at the time of his supposed death. Any one who knows any thing about Romans would know that the Romans kept clear ample records of events such as Spartacus and how he was dealt with. The reason the Romans wrote nothing about Joshua/ Issa/Jesus is because he never existed. The word Christ is not Hebrew either. It is Greek. It is Kristos in Greek and it means the promised one. The Greeks had that belief before the alleged existence of the Jesus.
Knowledge has set me free. I don’t think there would be one Christian left if they all knew every word of the Bible, the origin of the Bible, and all the historical context of the evolution of Christianity, the largest and most successful set of commercial enterprise known to humans.
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RE: Questioning Beliefs
August 8, 2010 at 5:05 am
(August 7, 2010 at 5:34 pm)tackattack Wrote: I know I fail to spell check and at times am a little dyslexic, and sometimes I'm typing too fast and add letters where they don't belong. My intention isn't to obfuscate any points though and I appreciate your patience.
The church of God movement is a step away from the segregation of Christianity through doctrine. We have jewish, muslim, pentacostal, orthodox and evangelical members. Well, we don't have a set membership really (we do have a voting membership), if you're a Christian you're a member. We try and keep the dogma to a minimum. For example : Some churches say that We believe in God and god is this, and that and everyone must do this but not that, etc. Where we say We believe in God and leave the individual path to that up to the individual. Some structure is of course necessary as an organization, but it's kept to a minimum where possible.
Sort of Athieism but from a Theistic perspective....
The only prerequisite is that you have a belief in a God??
The rest is up to the individual?
I can live with that  Not unlike any other social club (the structure I mean)
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RE: Questioning Beliefs
August 8, 2010 at 8:33 am
@Kichigai - Not belief in a god (of course all non-believers and other religious believers are welcome) but belief in the Abrahamic God of the Bible. No you can't have atheism from a theist perspective. Did you mean agnosticism from a theist perspective.. well kind of I guess. Agnosticism really has to do with how much you can actually know not the content, we're about the content. Glad you approve
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