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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 2, 2016 at 11:29 am
I don't care that a car is a material thing. If you are trying to sell me on the idea of anything, you'd better have the goods to back it up. Like I keep having to say, if the god you're pushing was even a fraction as demonstrable as a car, or a rock, or whatever, you wouldn't need to resort to poetic word games or silly logical acrobatics and we would need never have these discussions again.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 2, 2016 at 11:34 am
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It's not necessary that God be proven by me or these arguments or these words. God is manifest whether we acknowledge or don't. I believed in God before these arguments and perspectives were known to me.
Essentially you are saying God wouldn't need these arguments or phrases that I am saying to be known and proven to you. And you are right, he doesn't. He is there with you whether you acknowledge him or don't.
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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 2, 2016 at 11:50 am
The problem with presuppositionalists you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
As Hitchins would say, "What can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."
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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 2, 2016 at 12:07 pm
He is here with me? Great, we'll have a chat.
See, now you're espousing manifest presence where before you were hiding behind poetic rhetoric. Something manifest can be tested for, else why would you even suspect it was there at all?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 2, 2016 at 12:41 pm
God is indistinguishable from nothing at all, as usual.
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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 2, 2016 at 2:35 pm
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Now wait a minute...just a few pages ago you told us that these -were- the reasons you believed. Now they aren't? Perhaps, if you told us why you actually believed.............wait, do you even know why ? 
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 2, 2016 at 3:33 pm
I stated each of the things where sufficient reasons in themselves. I believed before these reasons but they are also good reasons to believe as of now.
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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 2, 2016 at 4:00 pm
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God - magical and eternal personality with no boundaries.
I was depressed a bit and people with positive vibes inspired me to cheer up and become servant of "good deeds only life". The thing is that such noble life is unpleasant and bitter very often and I deserted it in the end. Im content with being egoist, atleast no self mindfucking is involved for the common good.
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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 2, 2016 at 5:19 pm
Patience and perseverance is bitter in the start, but it's get sweet as you go through it and at the end of it.
A god is being worthy of worship. Worship in English is about reverence and honoring, while in Arabic, it's more about what you value the most and what your heart finds itself enslaved to.
Whatever the case, if there is being that requires a reverence level or value level higher then all rest of beings by an absolute degree, there is going to be two sides of this coin:
1) That which is worshiped.
2) That which worships it.
For us to worship it, there has to be some sort of connection to it, some sort of link. Now of course we can't really see it as in encompass it, by I argue we look at it from a distance, we see it's absolute eternalness and it's absolute greatness even if we have a hard time sometimes seeing it's light and what it commands and wills clearly.
It gives us our creation and reality and defines us, and guides us as well.
There are some arguments I have shown in the past that morality could not have been a temporal thing. That is, it could not have come into existence after non-existing.
We've been through this argument before many times.
But aside from the argument is just by the very fact that goodness and it's beauty is eternal. That is eternalness is part of, it's mixed into, it's what it is due to the light of time being mixed with that of eternalness.
It's easier to perceive that eternalness of goodness and beauty out of sheer observation, but I have shown arguments that confirm this observation.
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RE: Why do you actually believe in God?
July 2, 2016 at 5:49 pm
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(July 2, 2016 at 5:19 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Patience and perseverance is bitter in the start, but it's get sweet as you go through it and at the end of it.
A god is being worthy of worship. Worship in English is about reverence and honoring, while in Arabic, it's more about what you value the most and what your heart finds itself enslaved to.
Whatever the case, if there is being that requires a reverence level or value level higher then all rest of beings by an absolute degree, there is going to be two sides of this coin:
1) That which is worshiped.
2) That which worships it.
For us to worship it, there has to be some sort of connection to it, some sort of link. Now of course we can't really see it as in encompass it, by I argue we look at it from a distance, we see it's absolute eternalness and it's absolute greatness even if we have a hard time sometimes seeing it's light and what it commands and wills clearly.
It gives us our creation and reality and defines us, and guides us as well.
There are some arguments I have shown in the past that morality could not have been a temporal thing. That is, it could not have come into existence after non-existing.
We've been through this argument before many times.
But aside from the argument is just by the very fact that goodness and it's beauty is eternal. That is eternalness is part of, it's mixed into, it's what it is due to the light of time being mixed with that of eternalness.
It's easier to perceive that eternalness of goodness and beauty out of sheer observation, but I have shown arguments that confirm this observation.
Atheism offers sweet life and peacfull death at best. Theism offers life full of pain for noble goals(and thats it). The moment you talk about sweetness you become Atheist. Theism is unbearable mindfuck because ideals are ludicrous when you have constant urge inside of you not only survive but thrive in pleasure as well.
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