Why do you actually believe in God?

[Mystic]

Through the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful, indeed we have given you the Abundance. So connect to your Lord and sacrifice. Indeed it is your enemy who is cut off.
-Suratal Kawthar

[Expired]

Through the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful, indeed we have given you the Abundance. So connect to your Lord and sacrifice. Indeed it is your enemy who is cut off.
-Suratal Kawthar

Fuckin what?

[The Grand Nudger]

I stated each of the things where sufficient reasons in themselves. I believed before these reasons but they are also good reasons to believe as of now.

That can't be true either.   Your compulsion to make batshit claims about other peoples superpowers is a sufficient reason to believe?  I mean...I don't think you have them...but I know I don't.  Kind of DOA, isn't it?

What is it you're doing now, casting a magic spell? Will that grant me the abilities you swear I possess?

[robvalue]

I'm not aware of any of this stuff either. Telling me I am is not helpful, it's just dishonest.

[Veritas_Vincit]

See... Mystic doesn't get that just because you say something it doesn't automatically make it true. You have to demonstrate that something is true with reason, logic or evidence.

If you just make a load of assertions with flowery language, and we don't agree with them, then you have done nothing to make your case.

"Bla bla bla bla"
"No, I don't agree."
The end

This looks like a massive failure of critical thinking because it looks like you just bought all this bullshit whole sale without actually questioning it. Which is why are aren't able to present any reason to support it... because you have none. You're just preaching.

[robvalue]

I don't know what he's trying to achieve. He's not going to convince anyone of anything ever by presuming to know them better than they know themselves.

I think it's a chronic failure to be able to see other peoples' points of view. He is projecting himself onto us.

[purplepurpose]

I don't know what he's trying to achieve. He's not going to convince anyone of anything ever by presuming to know them better than they know themselves.

I think it's a chronic failure to be able to see other peoples' points of view. He is projecting himself onto us.

I guess he feels if such holy or perfect goals of religion exist in holy scriptures, than surly greedy humanity couldn't write such "eternal sweetness and perfection of self sacrifice". So, surrendering to such "higher feelings" he see that its his duty to educate selfish masses with holy wisdom.

He feels that he is advocating holy/divine/perfect order. Cute and innocent in my opinion, even if its annoying. Its like vegetarians or especially vegans who preach order of non violence.

[Cyberman]

Up until the late 19th century, there was the luminiferous æther. Just as sound waves require a medium in which to propagate, it was thought that space was filled with this elusive, invisible substance to enable the propagation of light. It would also explain the observations of the behaviour of comet tails and the orbit of Mercury and so forth. Basically, it had to exist even though it could not be proven, because how else to explain these things? The Michelson-Morley experiment of 1887 disproved the existence of the æther and allowed the true explanation to be discovered.

To me, "God" on one level is the same sort of thing. An unproven pseudo-explanation for observations about the world, which although untestable in its entirety has nevertheless been chipped away by real explanations. Hopefully the trend will continue.

[robvalue]

Maybe once they've looked under every stone in the universe, they'll finally have a look between their ears.

[Mystic]

@Veritas_Vincint 

The issue is any argument is going to have some properly basic premises. For example, if you argue from objective morality, then it won't work if people don't accept there is such thing as truly right or truly wrong and is not just subjective taste like what food you like or don't like.

You were going so far as to deny free-will, but at the same time, you were angry with me. I honestly believe you are dishonest about that.  If you truly didn't believe in free-will, you would not be reacting the way you are reacting.

I wanted to have a honest discussion about the fact we do believe there is exact (objective) value to who we are, we act upon that, and believed in that since childhood till now.  It's our nature.

However I do realize that would not prove it to be there, it would just prove humans naturally believe in that.

Do actually realize you know there is exact value to who you are, that it requires perception, and that perception has to be perfect judge through perfect standards, this requires a level of self-honesty that I honestly don't believe people over all here have.

Anything can be denied right? Sure. Deny free-will even...even though you function with belief in it. The same is true, you don't believe imperfect perception can see truly who you are neither do you believe you are that perception, so what maintains your value.

What makes you inherit your action, what is keeping score of your deeds?

Yes we can say this all unproven, but,  I've reflected over this issue with myself....surely some observer does see me,  something maintains my identity from baby till now.....why am I the same person...you may say we aren't the same person but when you appreciate your mom, when you have kids, etc, you will see you never assume they are a person separate from that no matter how much they changed.

The fact is we can say "Yes humans believe in these things naturally but they can't be justified in them...", or we can say "perhaps they can be justified in them, perhaps they can know, the only question is do I personally know these things to be true?"

You can all together skip the step of "how would I know" to "Do I know?". And if you do know, then it's good question to ask, how do you know...as that would perhaps unveil you to the truth.