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Hypothetically, science proves free will isn't real

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Hypothetically, science proves free will isn't real
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RE: Hypothetically, science proves free will isn't real
July 4, 2016 at 12:02 am (This post was last modified: July 4, 2016 at 12:03 am by Edwardo Piet.)
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RE: Hypothetically, science proves free will isn't real
July 4, 2016 at 12:04 am
As for compatabilist free will, it's trivially true and irrelevant to the actual question. No one doubts that we have that anyway.
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RE: Hypothetically, science proves free will isn't real
July 4, 2016 at 12:04 am
Myself Wrote:If determinism is true a sentient entity cannot determine otherwise because there is no otherwise in determinism.

If indeterminism is true a sentient entity cannot determine otherwise because there is no determining in indeterminism.
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RE: Hypothetically, science proves free will isn't real
July 4, 2016 at 12:05 am (This post was last modified: July 4, 2016 at 12:06 am by robvalue.)
(July 4, 2016 at 12:04 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: As for compatabilist free will, it's trivially true and irrelevant to the actual question. No one doubts that we have that anyway.

That's why I find the idea so useless. It's just a tautology, not a position.
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RE: Hypothetically, science proves free will isn't real
July 4, 2016 at 1:59 am
(July 3, 2016 at 7:47 pm)wallym Wrote: For the others in the thread, do you think finding out you aren't responsible for who you are would decrease the enjoyability of your circle jerks?

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RE: Hypothetically, science proves free will isn't real
July 4, 2016 at 2:08 am
(July 3, 2016 at 7:47 pm)wallym Wrote: For the others in the thread, do you think finding out you aren't responsible for who you are would decrease the enjoyability of your circle jerks?

Except not having free will does not mean I can't still take responsibility for myself.
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RE: Hypothetically, science proves free will isn't real
July 4, 2016 at 2:40 am
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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July 4, 2016 at 2:50 am
ROFLOL
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RE: Hypothetically, science proves free will isn't real
July 4, 2016 at 8:28 am
(July 3, 2016 at 11:49 pm)robvalue Wrote: If there is nothing but pure determinism, and we somehow learn this, we will react and continue to act in precisely the one way that we are determined to act anyway.

We could speculate on what that is of course. But you can't "choose" to act in a reality where there is no choice.

I don't think anyone said choose.  As you say, I am merely asked people to speculate on the course.  For whatever reason, I'm programmed to find such things interesting.  Not my fault.
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RE: Hypothetically, science proves free will isn't real
July 4, 2016 at 8:29 am (This post was last modified: July 4, 2016 at 8:31 am by robvalue.)
Sure, no. I was just pointing it out.

A faulty machine always blames its programming! Tongue

It's not inconsistent with some religious claims like forms of Calvinism.

If I found this out, I wouldn't be surprised.
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