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RE: If Life is Meaningless Anyway, then What's Wrong with Religion?
September 24, 2016 at 1:59 am
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(September 24, 2016 at 1:55 am)Arkilogue Wrote: We might be saved by grace but we are rewarded or chastised according to our deeds. Rom 2:6 God “will repay each one according to his deeds.” 7 To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life.…8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow wickedness, there will be wrath and anger.… -and he may indeed, but we're talking about salvation and one's place in the next life. Not the favors or curses a god might shower on a good man or a bad man. It is generally taken as a rule that a man who has faith and is saved is not the man described in the latter portion. Though he may have been that person, at some time.
Quote:There is no "s" in the book Revelation. Not sure what you think I misread.
No, not sure? Try reading again. I made it pretty explicit.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: If Life is Meaningless Anyway, then What's Wrong with Religion?
September 24, 2016 at 2:02 am
(September 24, 2016 at 1:59 am)Rhythm Wrote: (September 24, 2016 at 1:55 am)Arkilogue Wrote: We might be saved by grace but we are rewarded or chastised according to our deeds. Rom 2:6 God “will repay each one according to his deeds.” 7 To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life.…8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow wickedness, there will be wrath and anger.… -and he may indeed, but we're talking about salvation and one's place in the next life. Not the favors or curses a god might shower on a good man.
Quote:There is no "s" in the book Revelation. Not sure what you think I misread.
No, not sure? Try reading again. I made it pretty explicit. Is that not explicit enough? What else is salvation but eternal life?
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RE: If Life is Meaningless Anyway, then What's Wrong with Religion?
September 24, 2016 at 2:07 am
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Quote:A definition of the Christian doctrine of salvation would be “The deliverance, by the grace of God, from eternal punishment for sin which is granted to those who accept by faith God’s conditions of repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus.” Salvation is available in Jesus alone (John 14:6; ) and is dependent on God alone for provision, assurance, and security.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-doctrine-salvation.html
These guys seem pretty christian. I'm not vouching for it's accuracy, only relaying the message.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: If Life is Meaningless Anyway, then What's Wrong with Religion?
September 24, 2016 at 2:18 am
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(September 24, 2016 at 2:07 am)Rhythm Wrote: Quote:A definition of the Christian doctrine of salvation would be “The deliverance, by the grace of God, from eternal punishment for sin which is granted to those who accept by faith God’s conditions of repentance and faith in the Lord Jesus.” Salvation is available in Jesus alone (John 14:6; Acts 4:12) and is dependent on God alone for provision, assurance, and security.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-doctrine-salvation.html
These guys seem pretty christian. I'm not vouching for it's accuracy, only relaying the message.
And I take issue with it on certain parts based on the Aramaic bible and Jesus's word in it. The KJV preserves many of the same wordings.
Mark 11:22
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Yeshua answered and he said to them, “May the faith of God be in you.”
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RE: If Life is Meaningless Anyway, then What's Wrong with Religion?
September 24, 2016 at 2:33 am
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The KJV isn't exactly the translation of record for the source material...you realize? It doesn't matter what you take issue with. You asked what the christian position on salvation was. Not what you or some other schmuck think it -should- be. I could hardly begin to imagine the diversity of the latter.
Don't get me wrong, I understand where you're coming from (I think). Magic book says alot of shit, and because of that alone, if no other reason, it takes a certain amount of finesse to line one thing up with another and get what you want out of it.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: If Life is Meaningless Anyway, then What's Wrong with Religion?
September 24, 2016 at 2:41 am
(September 24, 2016 at 2:33 am)Rhythm Wrote: The KJV isn't exactly the translation of record for the source material...you realize? It doesn't matter what you take issue with. You asked what the christian position on salvation was. Not what you or some other schmuck think it -should- be. I could hardly begin to imagine the diversity of the latter.
Don't get me wrong, I understand where you're coming from (I think). Magic book says alot of shit, and because of that alone, if no other reason, it takes a certain amount of finesse to line one thing up with another and get what you want out of it.
I think a door/bridge was turned into a scapegoat on an unreachable pedestal.
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RE: If Life is Meaningless Anyway, then What's Wrong with Religion?
September 24, 2016 at 2:48 am
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I don't that there ever was a door...but what either of us think doesn't matter much in the context of what they believe, eh?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: If Life is Meaningless Anyway, then What's Wrong with Religion?
September 24, 2016 at 2:53 am
(September 24, 2016 at 2:48 am)Rhythm Wrote: I don't that there ever was a door...but what either of us think doesn't matter much in the context of what they believe, eh?
It does in the context of how it was originally understood and used vs what the telephone game and commercialization has excreted out today.
He spoke the "I am the way..." after the baptism at the Jordan river and that wasn't some albino pigeon taking a holy shit on his shoulder...
His last prayer was for all believers to be one with the Father as he was.
Becoming as he was/achieved/accomplished is the "way". There is no other way to the Father but to be inherited as a Son/Daughter.
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RE: If Life is Meaningless Anyway, then What's Wrong with Religion?
September 24, 2016 at 3:10 am
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You all sing the "how it was originally understood" chorus. None of you knows, let's not pretend otherwise.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: If Life is Meaningless Anyway, then What's Wrong with Religion?
September 24, 2016 at 3:25 am
(September 24, 2016 at 3:10 am)Rhythm Wrote: You all sing the "how it was originally understood" chorus. None of you knows, let's not pretend otherwise.
I might see through the glass darkly...but I am looking none the less.
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Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder
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