Game Over for Trump

[Crossless2.0]

I have a better idea. Dismantle the government apparatus underpinning the drug war, and let those involved find honest work for a change. Maybe they can help build your stupid wall.

It's not my stupid wall, I'm not American.

Fair enough. It's not my stupid wall, either, and I am American.

[Minimalist]

WTF?  How could he be losing the assholes now?

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-r...ebate-poll

Clinton beating Trump in Breitbart's post-debate poll

Hillary Clinton is the overwhelming winner of an online poll asking readers of conservative news outlet Breitbart who they thought won Wednesday's presidential debate.

As of 12:20 a.m., more than 80,000 votes have been tallied, with Clinton scoring 59 percent of the vote to Donald Trump’s 40 percent.

[Asmodee]

I don't mind at all that you snipped the rest.  These discussions can grow quickly tiring.

But I don't see you actually answering the question there.  100% of gun deaths in America are suicides and drug related?  You know that isn't true.  I've read at least 3 or 4 articles in the past few months about toddlers shooting people because of careless gun owners.  There are PLENTY of accidental deaths by gun.  And the Pulse night club was a crazy person, not 49 suicides while scoring a fix.

Look, I know you weren't really saying that 100% of gun deaths are suicides and drug related.  I know you don't really believe that.  What I am attempting to point out is that artificially changing the statistics in your favor shows a bias and maybe you're not really being objective here.  Artificially changing those numbers to be 100% in your favor is taking it to a ludicrous level of bias.

I'm comfortable ommitting a statisically irrelevant fraction of a percent when discussing our gun problem..because our gun problem isn't the statistically irrelevant fraction of a percent.  Our gun problem is the 6 suicides and 3.9repeating drug war related shootings.  If you'd like to discuss that fraction of a percent that's fine.  I'd only tell you that it's a problem with not prosecuting people for clear violations of laws already on the books....not a gun problem. This, too, can easily be checked and referenced.  

And the CDC can't study gun violence and haven't been allowed to for 20 years, so I'm not sure where these numbers from the CDC you mentioned are supposed to be coming from.

That doesn;t prevent them from listing causes of death, and those numbers are useful regardless of whether or not they;re allowed to publish a study.  The doj -is- allowed to publish a statement and study, they have, and they back up the numbers presented -by- the cdc and reported on for decades by organizations which I accept as reliable sources of expositional journalism.  I told you to google it, I can see that you haven't.  You don;t accept me as a credible source and you won;t seek out a source you accept to be credible.  Where are we supposed to go from here?

But you know what?  We really shouldn't be hijacking the thread for a personal side discussion.  We disagree and that's okay.  Go ahead and get in another response if you like and then what say we call it good after that?  We are unlikely to convince each other, we probably have more common ground than we realize anyway and, really, it doesn't matter.  We don't agree on something because we're not robots with a hive mind.  It's not a big deal.

It is a big deal, our gun problem is a big deal, and the inability of people to accept it for what it is...prefering instead to turn it into a political wedge issue...or even worse, something we agree to disagree on...intentionally or unintentionally, is a travesty..imo.

Also...last word!  

If you want to discuss it further, start a thread.  I'll jump in.  I ask only that it remain civil.  I just don't have the ambition for pointless flame wars and name calling any more.

Um..last word?  No?  Not sure if this counts...

[The Grand Nudger]

You can have it.....or can you....  

[Thumpalumpacus]

Heh, Rhythm doesn't need flame ... he's a sapper, rhetorically, not a bomber.

[Minimalist]

I just ordered my wife this t-shirt.



These people are FAST!

[account_inactive]

Hahahahaha.

[vorlon13]

BTW, the pollsters must think Iowa is in play now.

I've been polled (via landline) 4 times today. (and I wasn't home full time today)


And (LOL!), I lied all 4 times.

[Minimalist]

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/booed-by...goes-nuts/

‘Booed by a room full of priests’: Trump bombs at the #AlSmithDinner and the Internet goes nuts

I know why the pervert priests invited Drumpf.  For once they weren't the most despicable bastards in the room.

[Asmodee]

You can have it.....or can you....  

You win this round!  Or did you...