What makes your faith true?

[Fake Messiah]

OK I guess we got little bit sidetracked, started talking about the Bible.

The truth is I got a burning question to which you'll probably had an answer. So back when you said:

The Emperors of Japan have all died, Muhammad's revelations haven't come true and he is also dead, Krishna had a father and mother therefore created, therefore Krishna has no providence. Those who worship these deities may have faith in them, but those deities are shaky at best.
My God was not created, has always been and will always be, His promises have always been true and as creator has providence over all things, so I can't be like them because my God is unlike theirs in every way that's positive.

GC

So to you it seems people that believe in all other gods and think they talk to them are delusional because Christ is one true god for one reason or another, but if that is the case then why is it when Christians are talking to Jesus they all seem to hear different things?

I mean you're Baptist and you probably think that the Pope is a fake Christian and I think it's safe to say that you heard at least from some people in your congregation referring to the Pope even as an Antichrist. And Catholics, like all other Christian denominations, are wrong and delusional, although they all claim to talk to Jesus. So their Jesus is fake while your Jesus is real? I mean how do you reason with that?

If Jesus really does make himself known to many of his followers by voice, sight, or feeling as is often claimed, then why is there so much conflict within Christianity about true revelations versus false revelations, true prophets versus false prophets, and scriptural meaning? Wouldn't the most reasonable answer be that they're all delusional and all Christians are just making up stuff in their heads when they think they're talking to Jesus because they all seem to hear different things since the are like 41000 Christian denominations (source)?

[vorlon13]

If sincerity was all it took (and not dissing the relgiousites we have here) I'd be a fucking Mormon.

But Jesus Fucking Christ, sincere or not, Joe Smith is just so FUCKING BAD at the making up a plausible religion game!!! Jesus people, get a fucking grip . . .

[bheath]

What makes my faith true?

My faith in the Invisible Pink Unicorn is indisputable. She and I have a relationship, just us. And you can't prove otherwise...

Anyway, my faith while religious was sustained by social reinforcement and circular reasoning. Once I no longer accepted the premise, the circle was broken.

My old religion has people who believe that they've been chosen by God to serve as king-priests in heaven. It strikes me that pretty much every religion and denomination has people like this. How can that be?

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[Godscreated]

OK I guess we got little bit sidetracked, started talking about the Bible.

The truth is I got a burning question to which you'll probably had an answer. So back when you said:

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The Emperors of Japan have all died, Muhammad's revelations haven't come true and he is also dead, Krishna had a father and mother therefore created, therefore Krishna has no providence. Those who worship these deities may have faith in them, but those deities are shaky at best.
My God was not created, has always been and will always be, His promises have always been true and as creator has providence over all things, so I can't be like them because my God is unlike theirs in every way that's positive.

GC

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So to you it seems people that believe in all other gods and think they talk to them are delusional because Christ is one true god for one reason or another, but if that is the case then why is it when Christians are talking to Jesus they all seem to hear different things?

Delusional, that covers a broad spectrum, I would say miss lead is the proper term.
We hear different things because we are individuals with different questions. Not all Christians hear from God they pray for what they desire and then proceed to make it happen, God doesn't work in that manner.

I mean you're Baptist and you probably think that the Pope is a fake Christian and I think it's safe to say that you heard at least from some people in your congregation referring to the Pope even as an Antichrist.

I do not know the Pope's heart, that's between him and God. No one in any church I've belonged to has said the Pope's the Antichrist.

And Catholics, like all other Christian denominations, are wrong and delusional, although they all claim to talk to Jesus. So their Jesus is fake while your Jesus is real? I mean how do you reason with that?

I know many Catholics and I believe I'll see them in heaven. You are repeating far to many rumors.

If Jesus really does make himself known to many of his followers by voice, sight, or feeling as is often claimed, then why is there so much conflict within Christianity about true revelations versus false revelations, true prophets versus false prophets, and scriptural meaning?

As far as I know Jesus doesn't use any of the three methods you implied to communicate with people. Christ communicates with us most often through the scriptures and prayer, on occasion He will speak to the Christian through our spirit, it's why man was given a spirit. As for true vs false prophets and revelation the Bible clearly defines how we are to know them, anything that falls outside the Bibles criteria is false. Those who define scripture outside of what it actually says probably have self centered ideas.

Wouldn't the most reasonable answer be that they're all delusional and all Christians are just making up stuff in their heads when they think they're talking to Jesus because they all seem to hear different things since the are like 41000 Christian denominations (source)?

Not really, there are people who claim to be Christians just to make money off those who will not study the Bible and find out they ate charlatans. Others want to get ahead of God in doing Christian work because they are full of zeal, instead of studying the Bible and learning how God works. Others want to be noticed and do some silly things before they learn how God works. Then some just want to be seen and others want to tell God what should be done, see Christians have flaws just like everyone else, the difference is we are forgiven. The problem with many Christian is they don't read and study the Bible, they're lazy like you and do not take the time to learn. If you were to read the Bible you might not need to ask all these questions.

GC

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There is indeed a difference in the OT and NT and that difference invalidates your question completely. The Jewish laws that Jesus rebuked the pharisees and priest about do not apply to Christians. Christ is the fulfillment of the prophesies and the law by living the perfect sinless life, dying on the cross and being raised from the grave.

GC

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But isn't torture of Jesus culmination of all inanities and violence of the Old Testament? I mean here you have a God that can't just forgive humans because in the past some guy ate from a wrong tree (who probably never even existed according to scientific observations) thereby condemning future generations of Jews to pogroms and persecution as 'Christ-killers'. We're talking about millions of people that have been killed because of NT.
If God wanted to forgive our sins, why not just forgive them and skip the sadomasochism?

Like I've said you need to read and study the Bible and you might not have to ask so many questions.
What Adam and Eve did was disobey God this is sin, sin is not just doing bad things, it's defying the creator who created the universe and all that's in it, God has providence over everyone and everything, He owns it all because He made it. Every wrong action is against God and is sin sin that needs to be forgiven, who God is determines what sin is, all sin.
I would go over why there had to be blood sacrifices but, you are trying to tell me what Christianity is about, you said you were asking questions to learn, telling the instructor is not a try at learning. By the way there are no scientific observations about Adam and Eve, if you believe that not only do you need to study the Bible it wouldn't hurt for you to freshen up on some science,too.

GC

[Fake Messiah]

Delusional, that covers a broad spectrum, I would say miss lead is the proper term.

Yeah, miss lead by whom? Their delusions? Because those people tell dramatic and sincere stories of answered prayers and use it to "prove" that their religion is accurate and their gods are real, just like Christians do, but unlike Christians they're doomed to hell.

Christians have flaws just like everyone else, the difference is we are forgiven

Well GC, your post could be lump up that you seem to think that for being a Christian nothing matters apart from a few basic tenets centered on Jesus. That's a nice, concise, and inclusive thought, I suppose, but I don’t see how it can be true. If it were true, wouldn’t there just be one big unified group of Christians with only a few offshoots at most? Something does matter in addition to believing that Jesus is God, and it must matter a great deal because wars have been fought, people tortured, and families torn apart over disagreements within Christianity.
As an atheist I'm fine with lumping all Christians together. But I shouldn't do that, according to many Christians themselves. Many of them exclude Mormons or Jehovah's Witness and do not consider them to be "real Christians," for example. Even you yourself admit there are fake Christians who are only there for getting rich, but who are you to say they are fake? I mean they also say you are fake Christian.

Like I've said you need to read and study the Bible and you might not have to ask so many questions.

Well again I don't see how reading the Bible looking for answers would bring me correct answers when even Christians get completely different answers from it.
If the Bible was inspired by God and was meant to instruct humankind, then why can't Christians at least, if not the entire world, agree on it? Some denominations project live-and-let-live attitudes. Others, however, openly state that they are right and everyone else is wrong—and will pay a severe price on Judgment Day. We can get you into heaven, they say, but that other church is a one-way ticket to hell.

There are Christians who support gay rights, Christians who strongly condemn homosexuality, and then there are Christians who have no interest in other people's sexuality. There are Christians who say Jesus wants them to amass extravagant wealth as quickly as possible, and others who say that Jesus wants them to give it all away. Some Christians fight in wars, and some are pacifists who won’t go near one.

[TubbyTubby]

Delusional, that covers a broad spectrum, I would say miss lead is the proper term.

You mean rap music is to blame?

https://misslead.bandcamp.com/

[Cyberman]

More like heavy metal.

Miss lead...

Oh please yourselves!

[noname]

"If he punishes you in this life time you'll just deny it, in the next life there will be no denial, none at all. No one will have to tell you you were foolish, you'll know it."

GC


He's in denial? LOL the irony.

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Because I personally know God, we have a real relationship and no it's not one sided.

GC

Sure it isn't a hallucination from all the drugs you've been doing?

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The Emperors of Japan have all died, Muhammad's revelations haven't come true and he is also dead, Krishna had a father and mother therefore created, therefore Krishna has no providence. Those who worship these deities may have faith in them, but those deities are shaky at best.
My God was not created, has always been and will always be, His promises have always been true and as creator has providence over all things, so I can't be like them because my God is unlike theirs in every way that's positive.

GC
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Muslims would say the same thing about their god.

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Godschild, would you be kind enough to answer me one more question: You agree that people of other religions who claim they have relationships with their deities are delusional, so do you think there is any chance that you could also be delusional? Do you at least entertain that possibility or do you think it's impossible?

Just asking if it could be possible? What do you think?

And while you're answering here's how George Harrison, the guitarist for the Beatles described his relationship with god Krishna:
"If there’s a God, I want to see Him. It’s pointless to believe in something without proof, and Krishna Consciousness and meditation are methods where you can actually obtain GOD perception. You can actually see God, and Hear Him, play with Him. It might sound crazy, but He is actually there, actually with you."

We all know these people don't hold their own standards of other religions and other "gods" to their own faith.

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Obviously question for religious people.

What makes your faith true?

God Makes it true.

Bullshit

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God Makes it true.

You believe in the Christian God, and the Resurrection, 6 day creation, Original Sin and that world is 600 years old?

But how do you know "god" makes it true? Is it like GC said that you know this because of a deep, heartfelt “feeling,” for lack of a better word?
I presume you believe that your actions on Earth are a good indicator of whether you’ll go to heaven or hell, which you believe are real, physical places?

Of course Drich doesn't believe that, he believes the world is 6000 years old, not 600! HUGE difference!

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Is there an example, in your opinion....of someone who doesn't.....?

Everyone needs to. If one chooses to argue against the Bible and doesn't study it should just keep quite.

GC

With that same logic, anyone religious shouldn't be allowed to talk about atheism if they haven't read and studied Richard Dawkin's "The God Delusion"

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The inconvenient ones, silly! The ones about eating pig and hair length and so on!

But not the buttsecks ones, obviously.

Yeah! Christians love anal

[Nay_Sayer]

My Faith? Because my holy book says so, It was written by the infallible FSM, I pray for the delusional members of other faiths daily.

[Godscreated]

He's in denial? LOL the irony.

When you decide to have an intelligent conversation instead of trying to impress the atheist here you might get a response to your post. I've heard all those childish quotes before so when you grow up and start acting like you have some type of intelligence above that of a six year old will talk.

GC