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RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world?
October 2, 2010 at 4:17 pm
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(October 2, 2010 at 3:18 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: No, I'm observing the inevitable result of Islamo-Christian teaching when it isn't restrained by civilization. Remember, we're discussing Islam here, not Muslims. Luckily, most Muslims and Christians don't take their religion that seriously (aka "moderates").
...and I've observed a good deal of hateful intolerance from a lot of pompous so-called "free thinking" "progressives". Luckily, your side is restrained by the laws of civlization as well. What about you? Do you hate Christians?
(October 2, 2010 at 3:33 pm)Existentialist Wrote: (October 2, 2010 at 3:18 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: The hundreds of thousands of civilians murdered
Where? The twin towers on 9-11 is a good start.
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RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world?
October 2, 2010 at 4:23 pm
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(October 2, 2010 at 4:17 pm)A Theist Wrote: Quote:Where?
The twin towers on 9-11 is a good start. So what about the other 197,000?
(even if we accept, which I don't, that 9/11 was an example of "Islamic terrorism")
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RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world?
October 2, 2010 at 4:33 pm
(October 2, 2010 at 4:23 pm)Existentialist Wrote: (October 2, 2010 at 4:17 pm)A Theist Wrote: Quote:Where?
The twin towers on 9-11 is a good start. So what about the other 197,000?
(even if we accept, which I don't, that 9/11 was an example of "Islamic terrorism") They were celebrating in their streets throughout Arab nations when they heard the towers fell.
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RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world?
October 2, 2010 at 4:55 pm
(October 2, 2010 at 4:33 pm)A Theist Wrote: They were celebrating in their streets throughout Arab nations when they heard the towers fell. All of them? Some of them? A few idiots? Who's they?
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RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world?
October 2, 2010 at 5:34 pm
(October 2, 2010 at 4:55 pm)Existentialist Wrote: (October 2, 2010 at 4:33 pm)A Theist Wrote: They were celebrating in their streets throughout Arab nations when they heard the towers fell. All of them? Some of them? A few idiots? Who's they? Oh good grief! You want their names and phone numbers?
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RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world?
October 2, 2010 at 5:56 pm
(October 2, 2010 at 5:34 pm)A Theist Wrote: Oh good grief! You want their names and phone numbers? No, just an estimate of the numbers you saw celebrating in their streets, and in which towns "throughout the Arab world" you are talking about. Oh and if you could help with an indication of where the 197,000 dead civilians are this would be helpful. We are all suffering an evidence shortfall here. I just wondered if you could assist.
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RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world?
October 2, 2010 at 8:46 pm
(October 2, 2010 at 3:33 pm)Existentialist Wrote: (October 2, 2010 at 3:18 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: The hundreds of thousands of civilians murdered
Where?
Um, Iraq, among other places. Haven't you been paying attention?
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RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world?
October 2, 2010 at 8:53 pm
(October 2, 2010 at 8:46 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Um, Iraq, among other places. Haven't you been paying attention? I've been paying considerably more attention than you have if that's the best answer you can come up with. Iraq? Annexed by the US in 2003? Invaded illegally, a country where there was no terrorism to speak of before 2003 and has since been blown to bits by the US and you've got the cheek to pretend that was because of "islamic terrorism"? Give over.
Where are these "other places" then?
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RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world?
October 2, 2010 at 8:56 pm
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(October 2, 2010 at 4:17 pm)A Theist Wrote: ...and I've observed a good deal of hateful intolerance from a lot of pompous so-called "free thinking" "progressives". Luckily, your side is restrained by the laws of civlization as well. What about you? Do you hate Christians?
That's true. I've been so ashamed of the leftist protests during the Bush administration that came armed with assault rifles and carrying signs that threatened armed revolt ("we came unarmed this time") and that quote about the "tree of liberty". There have even been prominent left wing and atheist leaders, actual politicians running for office or in office, who've spoken about secession or "2nd amendment remedies". And then there's all the death threats and...
...oh wait, those were all Tea Partiers during the Obama administration following the oh-so provocative legislation that requires health insurance companies to use lube when the screw us. Sorry, I got confused there for a moment.
Seriously, can you name any prominent atheist or liberal leaders who've spoken about violence, rebellion, acts of terror, etc? Can you even show any evidence to indicate that such violent feelings are wide spread? I personally have received two death threats so far. How many have you racked up?
Quote:(even if we accept, which I don't, that 9/11 was an example of "Islamic terrorism")
What was that an example of? 
(October 2, 2010 at 8:53 pm)Existentialist Wrote: (October 2, 2010 at 8:46 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Um, Iraq, among other places. Haven't you been paying attention? I've been paying considerably more attention than you have if that's the best answer you can come up with. Iraq? Annexed by the US in 2003? Invaded illegally, a country where there was no terrorism to speak of before 2003 and has since been blown to bits by the US and you've got the cheek to pretend that was because of "islamic terrorism"? Give over.
Where are these "other places" then?
While it is true that the US invaded illegally and Bush and his cronies should be prosecuted for war crimes, the violence unleashed has primarily been Sunni vs. Shia. There's a long standing hatred between these two groups, a hatred kept in check only by the brutality of Saddam.
Or are you going to suggest that all the violence has been perpetrated by undercover CIA agents?
(October 2, 2010 at 5:34 pm)A Theist Wrote: (October 2, 2010 at 4:55 pm)Existentialist Wrote: (October 2, 2010 at 4:33 pm)A Theist Wrote: They were celebrating in their streets throughout Arab nations when they heard the towers fell. All of them? Some of them? A few idiots? Who's they? Oh good grief! You want their names and phone numbers?
Now you see, A Theist, THIS GUY is an example of someone who defends Islamic violence.
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RE: Islam, a growing threat to the free world?
October 2, 2010 at 9:07 pm
(October 2, 2010 at 8:56 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: While it is true that the US invaded illegally and Bush and his cronies should be prosecuted for war crimes, the violence unleashed has primarily been Sunni vs. Shia. There's a long standing hatred between these two groups, a hatred kept in check only by the brutality of Saddam.
Or are you going to suggest that all the violence has been perpetrated by undercover CIA agents?
There wasn't long standing hatred between Sunni and Shia pre-US invasion. The two groups would intermingle in Baghdad, marry, and not particularly live in separate neighbourhoods and with no help from Saddam Hussein. The sectarian conflict is the result of occupation. The subjugation of any country by an invading state inevitably involves massive disruption, and the resources available for everyday living plummet. Conflict is inevitable in such circumstances. You don't need the CIA. The idea that Iraq can be held up as an example of islamic terrorism is insulting to everybody's intelligence here. It beggars belief that people are still coming out with this garbage.
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