Antifa bike lock attacker arrested

[Cyberman]

On the other hand, all 'the left' has to do is convince 'the right' that they need to spend all their money stocking up on guns. Or better yet, convince 'the right' to convince 'the right' to do so. This of course is conflating mendacity with strategy, but such is the bread and butter of paranoia.

[Jackalope]

Way to tell people what they believe.

Fucking jackass.

[The Grand Nudger]

That's a big part of the difference between the left and right. You consider people who aren't actually American citizens to be, well, fellow citizens.

You think so?  I don't personally have any use for the term anchor baby.  It seems that the right does.  I don;t bitch and moan about dollars spent on educating citizen children of mexican parents....I don;t have any problem with those citizen children being afforded access to the social safety net - and I'm not pretending that mexican american citizens, resident aliens, and illegals are -ruining- america.

I don't think, to be honest..it's me that has a novel view of who is, and who aint..'murican.

I do, ofc, think that even dirty ass non american mexicans.....you know, your villains, have rights, in this country. Human rights -and- constitutional rights. This country's laws agree. Where do you live, that a human being can be written off simply for being mexican?

Section 1, of the 14th amendment -

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Notice, it doesn't say "unless they're mexican" - about anything, anywhere...in there....?

Why don't you go buy a gun to defend that?

[John V]

You think so?

Yes, it's pretty apparent.

I don't personally have any use for the term anchor baby.  It seems that the right does.  I don;t bitch and moan about dollars spent on educating citizen children of mexican parents....I don;t have any problem with those citizen children being afforded access to the social safety net

Neither do I. The key word is citizen. Until a non-citizen actually gets here and gives birth, though, this is all irrelevant. Making it more difficult for people to get here in the first place in no way affects children who are citizens.

And I don't recall if it was this thread or another - probably the Manchester bombing thread - but didn't you disparage arguments for the children?

I don't think, to be honest..it's me that has a novel view of who is, and who aint..'murican.

I disagree. Citizen is citizen.

I do, ofc, think that even dirty ass non american mexicans.....you know, your villains, have rights, in this country.  Human rights -and- constitutional rights.  This country's laws agree.  Where do you live, that a human being can be written off simply for being mexican?

Section 1, of the 14th amendment -

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Notice, it doesn't say "unless they're mexican" - about anything, anywhere...in there....?

Yes, it does - that would be the "born or naturalized in the United States." Or the "citizens of the United States" part. As persons, once here, due process and equal protection apply to non-citizens. We can't deport them without due process - but we can deport them as long as due process is followed. Before they get here - no, they really don't have rights under our constitution.

Why don't you go buy a gun to defend that?

I'm considering it. I don't know why you focus on Mexicans, as I generally focus on immigrants from the middle east. We regularly see terrorist attacks in Europe. Leaders there say that terrorism is now just a way of life that they have to accept. I don't want to live like that. Call me a racist over it if you like - trucks and nailbombs can break my bones, but words will never hurt me, to update the childhood taunt for modern times. While those get the headlines, the quiet takeover is more important, and I'd prefer to prevent that here as well. Sharia law doesn't recognize our constitution. Yes, I'd buy a gun to defend against that.

[The Grand Nudger]

Yes, it's pretty apparent.

You see alot of things, but I strongly suspect that a great many of them are figments of your imagination.  This one would just be another drop in the bucket.

Neither do I. The key word is citizen. Until a non-citizen actually gets here and gives birth, though, this is all irrelevant. Making it more difficult for people to get here in the first place in no way affects children who are citizens.

Plewase don;t insuilt yoursewlf and this conversation by pretending that the right isn;t anchor baby obsessed..by pretending that -you- aren;t anchor baby obsessed.  I know you are...we've had that conversation more than once.

And I don't recall if it was this thread or another - probably the Manchester bombing thread - but didn't you disparage arguments for the children?

you mean the -citizen- children.....

I disagree. Citizen is citizen.

Wink wink, nod nod.  

Yes, it does - that would be the "born or naturalized in the United States." Or the "citizens of the United States" part. As persons, once here, due process and equal protection apply to non-citizens. We can't deport them without due process - but we can deport them as long as due process is followed. Before they get here - no, they really don't have rights under our constitution.

As above, you see what you want to see.  Any person, Alpha...any person.  I'll put it up there again-

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

b-mine

Notice the semicolon, before the comments regarding citizens and any person..that denotes two subjects of equal importance, related but sdistinct from each other..not that their language, between citizens and any person..doesn;t make that explicit.  OFC, it;sa obvious that a fascist like yourself can misread that, so I guess it;s good they were really specific about that one.

I'm considering it. I don't know why you focus on Mexicans, as I generally focus on immigrants from the middle east. We regularly see terrorist attacks in Europe. Leaders there say that terrorism is now just a way of life that they have to accept. I don't want to live like that. Call me a racist over it if you like - trucks and nailbombs can break my bones, but words will never hurt me, to update the childhood taunt for modern times. While those get the headlines, the quiet takeover is more important, and I'd prefer to prevent that here as well. Sharia law doesn't recognize our constitution. Yes, I'd buy a gun to defend against that.

LOL, oh christ it does it again...pretending that -I'm- focusing on the mexicans while it builds a wall........

No alpha, you wont buy a gun to defend our constitution, or the ideals of the country upon which it is based.,.because you only see what you want to see...and what you most definitely do -not- want to see..is a bunch of brown faces in america with rights, or, as the constitution refers to them..."any people". You are a traitor, in your heart, to this country, and you don't even realize it. The only thing you're considering a gun purchase for..is to protect yourself from the desperate attempts of people who don't want to watch the US die at the hands of you and your chosen leader. Something that, like a common paranoid delusional...you think is lurking around every corner of "the left".

The only thing that even could make this worse..is that you're constantly peddling this transparent bullshit...and you're not even one of the scary, important facists... You're the Colonel Godamned Klink of Trumpistan. A vocal buffon who knows nothing.

[John V]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/911-ma...le/2608083

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed on radical Islam's approach:

"It would be nice," he said, if al Qaeda or like-minded Islamists could bring America to its knees with catastrophic attacks, but that was unlikely to happen; "not practical" is the wording he used. From his perspective, the long war for Islamic domination wasn't going to be won in the streets with bombs and bullets and bloodshed. No, it would be won in the minds of the American people.

He said the terror attacks were good, but the "practical" way to defeat America was through immigration and by outbreeding non-Muslims. He said jihadi-minded brothers would immigrate into the United States, taking advantage of the welfare system to support themselves while they spread their jihadi message. They will wrap themselves in America's rights and laws for protection, ratchet up acceptance of Sharia law, and then, only when they were strong enough, rise up and violently impose Sharia from within. He said the brothers would relentlessly continue their attacks and the American people eventually would become so tired, so frightened, and so weary of war that they would just want it to end.

"Eventually," KSM said, "America will expose her neck to us for slaughter."

And it's working. Europe will fall first. America will take longer just due to geography.

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You see alot of things, but I strongly suspect that a great many of them are figments of your imagination.  This one would just be another drop in the bucket.

OK, what legal distinctions do you see between citizens and non-citizens?

[The Grand Nudger]

The distinctions I might make are obviously not the ones you do....specifically the idea that non-citizens don't have constitutional rights.

I'm not interested in continuing this discussion with you until you manage to exhibit whatever dignity a fascist can muster and accept your own ignorant bigotry for what you just showed it to be....

Babbling about the fucking slave amendment, meant to end a situation in the us where there could be a class of people without equal protection under -our- laws..as though it created that class..excluding mexicans from what protections it explicitly establishes..... as non-citizens.  The fucking shame.  

[Caligvla XXI]

Turns out Clanton had been a professor of philosophy. Guess he reverted back to the Hobbesian state of nature.

[Aegon]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/911-ma...le/2608083

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed on radical Islam's approach:

"It would be nice," he said, if al Qaeda or like-minded Islamists could bring America to its knees with catastrophic attacks, but that was unlikely to happen; "not practical" is the wording he used. From his perspective, the long war for Islamic domination wasn't going to be won in the streets with bombs and bullets and bloodshed. No, it would be won in the minds of the American people.

He said the terror attacks were good, but the "practical" way to defeat America was through immigration and by outbreeding non-Muslims. He said jihadi-minded brothers would immigrate into the United States, taking advantage of the welfare system to support themselves while they spread their jihadi message. They will wrap themselves in America's rights and laws for protection, ratchet up acceptance of Sharia law, and then, only when they were strong enough, rise up and violently impose Sharia from within. He said the brothers would relentlessly continue their attacks and the American people eventually would become so tired, so frightened, and so weary of war that they would just want it to end.

"Eventually," KSM said, "America will expose her neck to us for slaughter."

And it's working. Europe will fall first. America will take longer just due to geography.

The Alabama Senate just OK'd a church to start its own police force and you're worried about Islamic Sharia law? Give me a fucking break.

[Amarok]

Yup it's all a vast Muslim conspiracy because some fanatic with delusion of grandeur said so.  I could easily find some neo Nazi demagogue spewing the same kind of grandiose delusion. So your sad attempt at spreading panic and xenophobia fails Beta. And despite what neo Nazi propaganda would have us believe Europe has not become a sharia state and never will. However  Nazi's have already run things once and we saw the results