Antifa bike lock attacker arrested

[vorlon13]

Jesus Fucking Christ, railing against divorce is my schtick here

[The Grand Nudger]

What are they seeing? you know, specifically?

You'd have to ask them, specifically...wouldn't you?  What's clear, is that they're seeing fascism.  

I'd say it's been going on for much longer than 8 years. No-fault divorce, abortion, the rise of single-parent households, gay marriage, now transgender issues. These are just off the top of my head. So, yes, many on the right actually are seeing their America slip away.

Ooooooooooookay then, you should understand them perfectly well.  I agree, if all of that stuff (or the opposite of it, whatever) is your america...then your america has been slipping away from you. I can understand why you would trend towards fascism...but I still don't accept it, and I never will. My america is an america where none of your positions, or the rights positions, on the issues above.... have purchase. Again, where ignorant bigotry is not and cannot be made the law of the land.

Do you think, that my america...with trumps election, is slipping away from me? Is america being made great again for you and yours, in your opinion?

[John V]

I would say I'm shocked that you're defending this guy...but unfortunately I'm not.

So you're pro fascist?

No. Just because someone claims they're fighting fascists doesn't make it so.

Trump will be around for four years. If in that time employment is strong, real wages increase, and he can get something done regarding immigration, he might - might - win another 4 years. Then, after either 4 or 8 years, he'll be out, and most likely a Democrat will be in, and our system will look the same as it did before he got in. He's not going to transform the US into a fascist state.

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You'd have to ask them, specifically...wouldn't you?  What's clear, is that they're seeing fascism.  

Ooooooooooookay then, you should understand them perfectly well.  I agree, if all of that stuff (or the opposite of it, whatever) is your america...then your america has been slipping away from you.  I can understand why you would trend towards fascism...but I still don't accept it, and I never will.

So what do you see as indicators of a trend toward fascism? Or do you just assume that, since some people call themselves anti-fascists, there must be actual fascism going on?

[The Grand Nudger]

So what do you see as indicators of a trend toward fascism? Or do you just assume that, since some people call themselves anti-fascists, there must be actual fascism going on?

I've never met an antifa member in my life...but I have been talking with you.

[Aegon]

You really do like putting words in people's mouths.

No, I don't.

But when someone makes a faulty assumption about me instead of asking a question, do I like turning the tables on them? You're damn right I do.  

Faulty assumption? You seem to be worried about Islamic Sharia law taking over the United States, which is laughable. So I used the militarization of a Christian church as an example of how far we really are from Islam controlling this country. And then you made the faulty assumption that I don't have a problem with Sharia law... the tables are in the same place they were before, my man.

[vorlon13]

Oh for fucks sake man, ofc they're seeing it.  

What are they seeing? you know, specifically?

In those 8 years, under Obama, did the right (and you) not also think that you were watching your america slip away from you?  Isn't the whole point of making america great again to bring back that america?

I'd say it's been going on for much longer than 8 years. No-fault divorce, abortion, the rise of single-parent households, gay marriage, now transgender issues. These are just off the top of my head. So, yes, many on the right actually are seeing their America slip away.

The divorce liberalization started immediately after WWII (go look at the stats), predating Roe v. Wade by over 20 years.  Growing up as I did in the 60s, I recall local consternation with specific divorces, but damn, I don't recall any sit-ins, marches, TV campaigns, pro or agin divorce law changes in that era. Certainly nothing like the abortion issue garnered, and yet, shouldn't divorce have really been a hot button issue in the 60s??

People who wanted one and couldn't get one just went out of state to do it, and amazingly enough, their divorces were recognized when they returned home.  Not like gay marriages conducted out of state decades later.  Why is that, BTW ??

And even to this day, except for my sarcasm dripping diatribes agin the goddam divorce/remarriage loving Christian slackers, does anyone EVER hear anything about banning divorce in the national forum ?

On a few occasions, Westboro Baptist has waved a banner decreeing divorce whores, but that, I'm afraid, is it.

So, bringing this back to the quoted post as a whole, it's clear divorce started it, the folks having a shit hemorrhage selectively on other issues fail to cognate it all stems from their laxity, spiritual malfeasance and literal embrace of the lynch pin of  all the subsequent moral decay and cultural rot they see and it stems entirely from their acquiescence to divorce.

[The Grand Nudger]

The moment that the hand of the self styled "silent majority", clenching the reigns of american social norms, began to show signs of palsy.....it was all over for that america.  

It's an interesting confluence that those words would be popularized in a plea for help in, what, '68.....which is -just- long enough for children to have been born in '50 to vote.......?

They had been silent in the face of their own erosion of their own societal norms...and their children appear to have learned something from watching that happen.  Well, at least some of them did.

[John V]

The divorce liberalization started immediately after WWII (go look at the stats),

I did, and I saw fairly stable rates in the 50s and 60s, then a jump with the no-fault divorce laws beginning in 1970.

predating Roe v. Wade by over 20 years.  Growing up as I did in the 60s, I recall local consternation with specific divorces, but damn, I don't recall any sit-ins, marches, TV campaigns, pro or agin divorce law changes in that era. Certainly nothing like the abortion issue garnered, and yet, shouldn't divorce have really been a hot button issue in the 60s??

Yes, it should have been. It's had a much bigger impact on society than things such as LGBTQP issues.

And even to this day, except for my sarcasm dripping diatribes agin the goddam divorce/remarriage loving Christian slackers, does anyone EVER hear anything about banning divorce in the national forum ?

No, as it's a cat's-out-of-the-bag situation. Heck, today, divorce at least means there was a marriage to begin with.

So, bringing this back to the quoted post as a whole, it's clear divorce started it, the folks having a shit hemorrhage selectively on other issues fail to cognate it all stems from their laxity, spiritual malfeasance and literal embrace of the lynch pin of  all the subsequent moral decay and cultural rot they see and it stems entirely from their acquiescence to divorce.

I'm to young to have been part of the acquiescence, but I largely agree with you. The destruction of the traditional family will be the end of Western civilization as we know it. We're not reproducing at replacement rate.

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The moment that the hand of the self styled "silent majority", clenching the reigns of american social norms, began to show signs of palsy.....it was all over for that america.  

It's an interesting confluence that those words would be popularized in a plea for help in, what, '68.....which is -just- long enough for children to have been born in '50 to vote.......?

Yes, I get why the WWII generation is called the greatest generation, but they failed miserably in passing the virtues they had on to their own children.

[The Grand Nudger]

Meh, I don't think they did fail.  In fact, I think every generation since then has been better than them.

[John V]

Meh, I don't think they did fail.  In fact, I think every generation since then has been better than them.

And yet we're turning fascist.