Is it possible that the universe could be eternal??...

[snowtracks]

Day 4 - continuing the Genesis narrative
Creation day 4 is when Earth’s atmosphere is transformed from always translucent to being at least intermittently transparent so that animals on day 5 will be able to see the positions of the Sun, Moon, and stars in the sky and use those positions to regulate their biological clocks. 
The second great oxygenation event transformed Earth’s atmosphere from a dense haze into a transparent sky* - oxygen is needed to make the atmosphere clear. 

Recap of events prior to Day 4: 
Before Earth days – Genesis 1:1 - translated “the heavens and the earth indicates that the entire physical universe—including our solar system—was created prior to creation day one on Earth. Thus, the Sun existed before the preparation of the Earth for life even started.

On day one, “Let there be light”, light, already existent and emanating from the Sun, could now pierce through the darkness of the primordial planet’s opaque atmosphere. Light could now reach Earth’s surface. However, an Earth observer would not, at this point, have been able to see the source of this light.

This limited, non-visible, light was sufficient for the survival of vegetation, which science now confirms predated complex animal life, as Genesis indicates. Not until later, on day 4, did the atmosphere become transparent enough for a terrestrial observer to see the sources of both daytime and nighttime light.
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* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoprotero...tion_event

**Day 4   
Genesis 1: 14-19 13And there was evening, and there was morning— the third day. 
14And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to distinguish between the day and the night, and let them be signs to mark the seasons and days and years.… 

15And let them serve as lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth.” And it was so.

16God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night. And He made the stars as well. 17God set these lights in the expanse of the sky to shine upon the earth, 

19And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

[Nay_Sayer]

Having fun spamming verses?

I'll pray for you. RAmen

[Anomalocaris]

Whenever believers start babbling about cosmology I just remind myself that there's bugger all in the bible about it. No surprise there. The bible's a book of faith, not a science textbook. When the new images came back from the JWST with galaxies where our current cosmological model said there shouldn't be any it wasn't the bible that explained the discrepancy. It won't be theologians who do the heavy lifting to figure this out. And the JWST wasn't launched by the church in the first place. You lot have no more interest in actual cosmology than trying to prop up the myths of some bronze age goat herders.

It took 1600 years from the time that JC got tacked up by the Romans until the point where even one of you figured out that the sun didn't go round the Earth and you promptly persecuted that poor bugger. The church's record on cosmology amounts to two millennia of knuckle-dragging ignorance and they like it that way.

The whole business model of religion is to seize and maintain fraudulent temporal authority by overawing the gullible with overarching pretenses of comprehensive knowing, so as to be able to daunt the gullible with threats of consequences that the fraudster can’t actually affect.

So obviously such a business model would have no use whatsoever for any effort to gain genuine  knowledge that may contradict the pretense and thus uncover the con for what it is.

The bully has no use for anything which allows people to detect the make believe truncheon he threaten to beat people with isn’t actually there.

[The Grand Nudger]

My favorite line in the whole bit "as genesis indicates", lol. This, after pre-shitting on what genesis indicates..because genesis indicates wrong, yet again. Needing to come up with these absurd excuses for magic book fucking the pooch kind of gives up the game of claiming quranic miracles in jesus name, if you ask me.

[Fake Messiah]

"In just one page, a flawless overview of 13.79 B. years of natural history" -- I wonder what he would consider not to be a flawless overview of 13.79 B. years of natural history.

[The Grand Nudger]

A great time to point out that our friend doesn't actually believe in magic book, he believes in science. Sure, sure, he appears to be a little touched and gets the science wrong..but it's only important for genesis to be a "flawless" overview of natural history if...were it not a flawless overview..he wouldn't believe in it anymore. His beliefs about science are informing his beliefs about god, not the other way around. Might want to get right with jesus. Hear he gets pretty touchy on the subject.

[Anomalocaris]

"In just one page, a flawless overview of 13.79 B. years of natural history" -- I wonder what he would consider not to be a flawless overview of 13.79 B. years of natural history.

Anything overview of the 13.79B years that actually got at least one thing right?

You got to admit, gensis’s record of not getting any things right is without flaw and, let’s face it, pretty much without any possibility of flaw.

[Paleophyte]

Well isn't this just a lovely example of using one set of mythology as a post hoc justification for another?

Day 4 - continuing the Genesis narrative
Creation day 4 is when Earth’s atmosphere is transformed from always translucent to being at least intermittently transparent so that animals on day 5 will be able to see the positions of the Sun, Moon, and stars in the sky and use those positions to regulate their biological clocks. 
The second great oxygenation event transformed Earth’s atmosphere from a dense haze into a transparent sky* - oxygen is needed to make the atmosphere clear. 

(1) That wasn't a day, it was some 3 to 4 billion years.

(2) Despite some bad science fiction depictions there's no evidence that Earth's early atmosphere was any less clear than at present. Oxygen does not make it clear.

Recap of events prior to Day 4: 
Before Earth days – Genesis 1:1 - translated “the heavens and the earth indicates that the entire physical universe—including our solar system—was created prior to creation day one on Earth. Thus, the Sun existed before the preparation of the Earth for life even started.

On day one, “Let there be light”, light, already existent and emanating from the Sun, could now pierce through the darkness of the primordial planet’s opaque atmosphere. Light could now reach Earth’s surface. However, an Earth observer would not, at this point, have been able to see the source of this light.

The Earth's atmosphere has never been opaque.

[color=#0e101a]This limited, non-visible, light

Non-visible light?!? Are you sure that you know what light is? Or are you trying to grow plants under a heat lamp?

was sufficient for the survival of vegetation

As anybody who has ever grown a garden could tell you, attempting to maintain plants under the extreme shade that you describe is a fool's errand.

which science now confirms predated complex animal life, as Genesis indicates.

Blue-green algae are not plants. They are bacteria, lacking a cell wall, organized nucleus, or any sort of differentiated tissues.

But nice work proving the bible wrong.

[Anomalocaris]

Actually, the mechanism that put oxygen into the atmophere is photosynthesis, which can’t operate unless the atmosphere was already clear and sunlight can reach the photosynthetic organism. 

So “oxygen is needed to made the atmosphere clear” is about as nonsensical as “the son is needed to make the mother”.   But if snow tracks was knowledgeable and perceptive enough to recognize this as nonsense, then he would have been far too perceptive to have been a Christian in the first place.

[snowtracks]

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