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RE: Which Jesus is real?
August 9, 2017 at 1:45 am
(July 29, 2017 at 6:53 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:
How is it one can make so many mistakes as tou have, the Bible tells us who Jesus is and that's all Christians need.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Which Jesus is real?
August 9, 2017 at 1:47 am
Quote:Traditional God= The source of magic.
There is no magic, dickhead. What magicians do is illusion and you and your ilk are easily fooled.
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RE: Which Jesus is real?
August 9, 2017 at 1:51 am
(July 29, 2017 at 8:03 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Without too much trouble I found a list of 25 items where Jesus and Apostle Paul don't agree on things... {snip}
I call him "Paul the Antichrist" for a darned good reason.
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RE: Which Jesus is real?
August 9, 2017 at 10:09 am
Chronologically, Apostle Paul isn't that far removed from Jesus, is he??
And yet we are seeing enormous drift from what Jesus established as canon.
I don't think Paul ever personally met Jesus, wasn't his exposure to His ministry via persecution of His followers, and not any disciples??
Grave concerns should exist over what Paul did, if not outright condemnation for vile heresy, and yet we are seeing the start of a third millennia of Paul's grotesque hijacking of the religion OF Jesus.
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RE: Which Jesus is real?
August 9, 2017 at 12:28 pm
(August 9, 2017 at 1:51 am)Astreja Wrote: (July 29, 2017 at 8:03 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Without too much trouble I found a list of 25 items where Jesus and Apostle Paul don't agree on things... {snip}
I call him "Paul the Antichrist" for a darned good reason.
You know that "paul" was a latin cognomen for "small?" I wonder if he had tiny hands, too?
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RE: Which Jesus is real?
August 9, 2017 at 1:04 pm
What we can be almost absolutely sure of, is that whatever the historical basis for Jesus, that person or persons would not even get close to recognising the version of Jesus that the vast majority of Christians believe in.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Which Jesus is real?
August 9, 2017 at 1:24 pm
(August 9, 2017 at 1:04 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: What we can be almost absolutely sure of, is that whatever the historical basis for Jesus, that person or persons would not even get close to recognising the version of Jesus that the vast majority of Christians believe in.
Oh, no doubt about it. Since the Jesus most Christians worship is Paul's Jesus and since that Jesus would have been anathema to any observant Jew of the day (hint: Jesus), there's no way he would have recognized himself in the spiteful, failed Pharisee's portrait.
I'm reminded of one of my favorite moments in The Last Temptation of Christ when Jesus comes across Paul preaching his own version of the good news. Jesus protests that he didn't die and that Paul is lying about him and his ministry. Paul fixes Jesus with a satisfied gaze and says, "I'm glad I met you. Now I can forget all about you," before resuming his false ministry to the Gentiles.
On a side note, I love that Scorsese cast Harry Dean Stanton as Paul in the film. Somehow, he strikes me as the perfect choice to play religion's greatest used car salesman.
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RE: Which Jesus is real?
August 9, 2017 at 6:28 pm
OP Title: Aren't they all real?
A real hoot!
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: Which Jesus is real?
August 9, 2017 at 9:19 pm
(August 9, 2017 at 1:51 am)Astreja Wrote: (July 29, 2017 at 8:03 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Without too much trouble I found a list of 25 items where Jesus and Apostle Paul don't agree on things... {snip}
I call him "Paul the Antichrist" for a darned good reason.
Paul & Yeshua differ on almost every issue. They actually preach two different religions.
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RE: Which Jesus is real?
August 9, 2017 at 11:44 pm
(August 9, 2017 at 9:19 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: (August 9, 2017 at 1:51 am)Astreja Wrote: I call him "Paul the Antichrist" for a darned good reason.
Paul & Yeshua differ on almost every issue. They actually preach two different religions.
And the wrong one won.
Poor Jesus, took the fucking cross for His trouble, and then Apostle Paul waltzes in and subverts the whole operation. Shameful, really. And sad. No one beyond the 12 disciples and the folks persecuted by Paul during his 'Saul' persona were actually doing the Jesus religion correctly.
EVERYONE ELSE IS DOING IT WRONG.
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