Better terminology for "Father and Son" ?

[Godscreated]

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They happen but that has nothing to do with a spiritual relationship with God. I'm speaking spiritually not our physical make-up. Christ said, what is it for a man to gain the whole world yet lose his soul. Christ wasn't speaking of the eternal as the physical, and He was definitely telling us that the soul and physical body are separate. what you posted in blue below shows a physical change can happen when the brain is injured and it shows that a process of the self can influence that change, can you say for certainty that is not an influence of the soul in some cases. The purpose of the soul is for us to be able to know there is God.


The soul want be changed by a brain injury specifically because it is separate from the body. The soul is how we will know God is speaking to us as long as we (the physical person) will listen. The soul will seek God if the physical self will co-operate, it does take both to gain salvation. I wish I were better able to explain what I know, you probably couldn't have picked a harder point to discuss.



Please understand I can't know that you made the earnest attempt, I do not have that power. I do know when you were making an attempt that I could have been there to help you understand what was going on, I wasn't so I can't really say much. I do know this, one can not find God until God (the Holy Spirit) calls you, Jesus taught this very thing to His disciples and I will look it up if you want me to. I believe this to mean that God knows when we will be ready to accept Christ as Lord and Savior, and what I mean is that we will accept Him for the right reasons. Some of those reasons could be hidden from our understanding for years after we accept Christ as savior, I know that reasons are being shown me even now that I never even thought about before. That's why you have probably heard that it is in God's timing, it's true in the case of salvation, God knows best. I've asked others and I want to ask you, do you know what omnipresent means as it pertains to God? I only came to a true understanding of it about a tear ago, why, because I wasn't ready to understand all of it's meaning until I had grown enough in Christ.
Believe me God is loving and much more so than any of us can understand. Yes I and all mankind will recognize God, there will be no mistaken that, we will be made aware of His full glory at that time and the saved and unsaved alike will see Him as He really is, far greater than we could ever imagine. God in all actuality owns us and we have always be at His mercy in some way, but as far as hell goes that is our choice alone, not even God will make that one for us. 




Let me ask you this, sincerely, why do you purposely misspell God and us the term drippy? As I said earlier in the post I can't say if you did or did not, but I choose to believe you. I choose to believe you because I know that God will call to you at the time He knows is best, that's why I asked you about omnipresent. Why would God call you before you were be ready to commit to Him in a manner that would have you to never lose your faith. I've seen people try to talk others into salvation and I've seen the results of that and most of the time it isn't good. I would never try and talk you into salvation, first because it is not mine to offer that's why I keep saying that is God's work, but I will as I try to do here is encourage you and anyone else that might want it. I certainly would have encouraged you back when you were trying to communicate with God. See I don't even know whether those that were around you did or even if they tried to help in any way, I'm pretty sure they didn't explain to you what I have in that it all is in God's perfect timing. Question did you ask people for what was going on that you didn't get a response from God? If you were expecting something that God couldn't give you when you were asking or expecting Christianity to be a certain way that it's not then when that didn't happen you would have become discouraged and left God. God knows when and a person has to be patient. Something else I hope will help explain what I'm saying about the soul, The soul is who we are in relation to God, our brain can't conceive of who God is and without the soul we would be as lost as a stray dog.  


Sorry but it's not twisted and we are condemned if we do not choose to be freed of the eternal punishment, but better yet choose to accept the love of Christ and then know the eternal punishment has nothing to do with us. Those like me that sought first to keep out of hell struggle and sometimes never grow in Christ, it was many years before I realized I wasn't able to grow because I was happy with the status quo. God continued working with me until I realized that Christianity was much more and better than just staying out of hell. Yes Adam and Eve are why we are condemned, we are born with a sin nature. Adam and Eve caused all people for all time to lose the sinless nature we could have been born with, but in some kind of defense of them, if it hadn't of been them it would have soon happened, Lucifer wasn't going down without a fight and his whole desire was to hurt God and grow the rebellion to help him to take God's throne, silly little serpent was blinded by his own hate. But people need to know that God gave us a way out as long as we were willing to accept His plan through Christ. When He flooded the world He could have easily enough of taken Noah and his family with the flood waters, then folded up the universe and gone home, but He didn't, His love saved us all for another chance and that chance cost Him dearly and when a person recognizes that, well I believe they are close to being called. As much as most atheist here want to believe I'm trying to sell them a made up disease and a made up cure, I'm not it's all very real and one day those who refuse to believe will find out I was telling the truth. Why would I lie about this, why would I spend so many years on this forum if it were not true, all the time I've spent here has cost me several pieces of furniture I could have built. You all think it's easy being a Christian and it's not and God never promised us it would be. You all need to remember we still have that old nature to sin and it nags at us all the time, God's allowed Satan to tempt us and we have to remember to count on God to help us resist, it will help us in the long run, but nevertheless we will deal with this to the day we die.


Nope, I want waste my time on denying my God because that is exactly what I would be doing, I'm stronger than you might think and I know the real truth and that's what gives me the strength and knowledge not to be fooled. I'm going to take it you meant well by that, but you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink, know why, he knows when he's thirsty, understand?


I like science and believe in much of it a person would be stupid to deny all science, it's in our every day lives. Evolution will never be a part of my belief because I know creation by God is the truth. Evolution has far to many problems to over come and I know that they will never be over come. I do not believe in the "big bang" as science presents it, science can't ans never will be able to explain where the material came from to have a big bang, can't travel to the past, for us it's gone. I use to study with scientist and professors on this very thing (creation vs big bang, evolution) and I can see for myself the problems that face these theories. I've seen how scientist have had to either add or subtract to equations to get them to meat what physics demands, that's cheating to say the least. You all might hate the Creation Sciences (I don't agree with all they say) but I bet most if not all of you have never given them a good look. Like I said we studied both and creation science answers questions better. If you don't know the creation sciences have some extremely top notch scientist and I watched one of then debate an evolutionist at the our local university and the evolutionary scientist all but embarrassed himself. He did not give his students much to cheer about.


I was and I knew it, it's why I wanted to change my situation. I have nothing to fear and I'm not sure why you think I am afraid, my future is secure for eternity. Everyone who does not accept Christ as their savior will find their eternal destiny is an eternal punishment because their sins are still unforgiven and against the eternal God and thus justice is eternal punishment. God says that any unforgiven sin will cost one their eternal soul as Jesus said, what does it gain a man to gain the whole world yet lose his soul. i'm sure you probably can't see that at this time.... but maybe some day. Thanks for the good conversation.

GC

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Wow. Wayyyy too much bullshit in there to deal with without my hip-waders. I'll cover a couple points though. Evolution, it's real. If you actually studied it, even from a layman's POV, you'd be able to see it. Your willful ignorance on the matter is the only thing that can prevent you from seeing it. The evidence is there, it's reproducible and it's overwhelming. If you don't think so, you may want to step back from all the modern medicine based on it. After all, that all must be black magic if evolution never happened. You want to argue that creation is a science? By all means, please provide the evidence (that rules out your book of voodoo).

Evolution has many flaws it hasn't and never will over come, it is your willful ignorance that blinds you to those facts, either that or you've bought into the lies of those evolutionary scientist who would lie to no end to save their careers, money is their main game. No it isn't reproducible, testable or observable. You would have to go back in time to observe what actually happened and you want live long enough to observe one thing gradually change into something completely different. Modern medicine is man made, kinda' like God making things, right. There was no magic, magic isn't real, God used His supernatural powers to create and make the universe, then sin corrupted it. I did not say creation was science, creation was a supernatural act through the powers of God and creation science is trying to understand how that process might have come about. Would you like for me to start referring to what you post as bull...., or have an understanding for what you believe.

No-one, not you, not me, not anyone either of us know, has ever heard of, or has never even heard of, is deserving of eternal torture. That belief is sick, even if you don't recognize it. Your view of hell, as expressed above, does owe more to "Paradise Lost" the your buy-bull. You should read it some time. It's a fantastic work of fiction, far better than the one you like to quote.

The Bible I read isn't fictional, just because you have blinded yourself to what it really is doesn't mean it's what you want it to be. There are fictional works I enjoy reading but not when it opposes my beliefs. My beliefs about hell come by trying to understand God and His purposes. Whether you like it or not there's an eternal punishment for the unforgiven, all you say against it want and can't change it, it was permanently established long ago.

If you haven't yet figured out the dual reasons I spell gawd the way I do, you'll never get it.

I knew you'd forego the milk jug challenge. You don't have enough faith to allow it to be challenged. Don't feel bad though. Most of you gawd-botherers don't.

I knew why I was trying to get you to explain it so you might see your hate for God and His children.

As for the challenge, it is ridiculous, you know that a Christian want worship another god, unlike atheist we are loyal. My faith has grown to the point of knowledge, you doing Satan's work can't fool those who truly believe in the living God, I'm flat out stronger than you are and you can't see that nor begin to understand why. Your attempts are childish at best.

Your whole sales pitch fails with me GC. As I've said, I sought your gawd,and your absences wasn't a factor, despite your hubris (pride goes before the fall and all). I was surrounded by self-proclaimed kool-aid drinkers, just like you. None of that changes the fact that when I cried out, your gawd never responded. I've learned since then what a sham religion is. Don't blame the messenger.

 I'm not trying to sale you anything, just trying to tell you about the greatest gift the world has ever known. You can't buy salvation. I wasn't trying to be prideful, it amazes me how atheist try their hardest to misinterpret the intentions of Christians, and they do it so they can be purposely derogatory toward Christians, most of you get your jollies doing so, that's a sad life, truly sad. You have no idea who I am nor the depth my relationship with God has gone, I pull no punches and will always tell people like it is, they need to know and being a softy is no help to them. Seems to me you are doing more than blaming this messenger and like I said if you were not called by God at that time He was not going to respond because He knew you were not ready to actually accept Christ for who He is and live a life of sacrifice for Christ. Did the Christians around you then tell you what I just did. If you think I'm wrong read the NT and you will see that God first has to call you. When God calls He want turn you way!

GC

[Astreja]

... it amazes me how atheist try their hardest to misinterpret the intentions of Christians, and they do it so they can be purposely derogatory toward Christians, most of you get your jollies doing so, that's a sad life, truly sad.

GC, you don't appear to have very much respect at all for our experiences and the reasons that we do not worship your god.  You see us as blind, wilful and misguided, all the while clinging to a life raft of execrably stupid religious concepts and rejecting any science that contradicts the Bible.  Until you start respecting us, don't expect anything but more scorn.

[Godscreated]

... it amazes me how atheist try their hardest to misinterpret the intentions of Christians, and they do it so they can be purposely derogatory toward Christians, most of you get your jollies doing so, that's a sad life, truly sad.

GC, you don't appear to have very much respect at all for our experiences and the reasons that we do not worship your god.  You see us as blind, wilful and misguided, all the while clinging to a life raft of execrably stupid religious concepts and rejecting any science that contradicts the Bible.  Until you start respecting us, don't expect anything but more scorn.

 The only reason I hear from any of you is this, I do not believe, not much in the area of informative conversation is it. yes I do because you are, what do you want me to do lie to you, that would be dishonest and do no one any good. Why should i accept science I know is wrong, unlike you I've looked at both sides and probably spent more time on evolution than creation. From day one few have ever shown respect for me, criticizing me for my beliefs making fun of what I know and I at least explain why I believe. Atheist only say I do not believe, they do so by being ignorant of what the scriptures say, most can only focus on the OT and the wars that are recorded there. Atheist will not accept explanations about Bible verses and passages, when I have cornered someone they just bail out of the conversation and later own spew the same old thing that about a verse that they were schooled on. So don't preach to me about respect, when none has come my way from many here, some have been very respectful and to those I once again say thank you.

GC

[Succubus]

<guffsnip>Atheist will not accept explanations about Bible verses and passages,<guffsnip>

I'm sure I've asked this before but refresh my memory. Why did two thousand pigs commit suicide, and what the fuck were Hebrews doing herding pigs in the first place?

[vorlon13]

selling them to the Islamites ?

[Succubus]

McDonalds Pork kebabs in Mecca? I foresee possible civil unrest.

[vorlon13]

. . . not to eat . . .


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comfort for the lonely mens

[Astreja]

Why should i accept science I know is wrong...

You have yet to demonstrate that you understand evolution well enough to know whether it's right or wrong.  Mind you, any young-earth creationist is at a distinct disadvantage in gaining that understanding.  Evolution is an ongoing process requiring tiny changes over many generations, often over millions of years.  Modern humans, for instance, are most closely related to modern chimpanzees.  Both split off from a common ancestor about 6 million years ago.  If your understanding of science does not include an Earth that is billions of years old, evolution probably won't make sense to you.   

So don't preach to me about respect, when none has come my way from many here...

Perhaps if you hadn't already pissed in the well with statements like these...?

We were ahead of you long ago, you've never given anything worth hearing, so being worthy of an argument is completely out.

You have mistakes probably from misunderstanding.

If you truly understood you wouldn't be an atheist.

I'm explaining God as the Bible does, it's not my fault you can't grasp this.

No you do not grasp it or you would be a Christian, you haven't the fortitude to seek Jesus.

...you should know not to use scripture that doesn't apply to a conversation... or did you just forget the rest.

 I judged no one, unlike you.

Christians understand the relationship between God the Father and God the Son, they know it's not like that of an earthly father and a earthly son.
Why would you think differently, because you do not understand.

I've given you books, papers and pencils and have tried to teach you and I always find you sitting around chewing the erasers off the pencils instead of listening.

I didn't think you could, that's why you gave a stupid reply.

{later in same post}

Apparently more than you're capable of understanding, and it was so simple, too. How sad.

I said your reply as stupid because you did not show where I judged and you still haven't and no one has rubbed my nose in anything.

{and...}

No I have not made that claim, see the eraser has again gotten in the way of your understanding. If you had listened to what i have said you would have know I said I'm here to give witness to my beliefs and leave the converting to the only one who can do that, God! So you see I'm not a liar as you claim, you on the other hand are an eraser eating dunce sitting in the corner without a clue as to what Christians here are saying.

My guess would be you are terrified of us and who we believe in.

You are as blind as Samsom was before he lost his sight, funny how losing something can give one a new perspective ain't it..

You seem to be running out of new answers, I'm starting to see some of the same statements from you.

The Bible I read isn't fictional, just because you have blinded yourself to what it really is doesn't mean it's what you want it to be.

That is serious hypocrisy on your part, accusing us of being disrespectful.

[Succubus]

. . . not to eat . . .


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comfort for the lonely mens

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not everyone thinks the way you do.

[Harry Nevis]

GC, you don't appear to have very much respect at all for our experiences and the reasons that we do not worship your god.  You see us as blind, wilful and misguided, all the while clinging to a life raft of execrably stupid religious concepts and rejecting any science that contradicts the Bible.  Until you start respecting us, don't expect anything but more scorn.

 The only reason I hear from any of you is this, I do not believe, not much in the area of informative conversation is it. yes I do because you are, what do you want me to do lie to you, that would be dishonest and do no one any good. Why should i accept science I know is wrong, unlike you I've looked at both sides and probably spent more time on evolution than creation. From day one few have ever shown respect for me, criticizing me for my beliefs making fun of what I know and I at least explain why I believe. Atheist only say I do not believe, they do so by being ignorant of what the scriptures say, most can only focus on the OT and the wars that are recorded there. Atheist will not accept explanations about Bible verses and passages, when I have cornered someone they just bail out of the conversation and later own spew the same old thing that about a verse that they were schooled on. So don't preach to me about respect, when none has come my way from many here, some have been very respectful and to those I once again say thank you.

GC

The stance "both sides of evolution" deserves nothing but ridicule.  You've never cornered anyone on discussing the bible.  You state belief as fact, and then claim you never lie.  You're about a worthy of respect as Trump.