Isn't it funny...

[pabsta]

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[*] … that men and women just happen to be created with a built in desire for one another?

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It would be hard for us to have evolved without that being the case sufficient to ensure reproductive success, wouldn't it?

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[*] … that the human brain, a 3 pound piece of tissue, is the most complex computer found on the planet?

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A sperm whale's brain is about 18 pounds. Why are you so sure that IT isn't the most complex computer found on the planet?

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Mister Agenda

[*] … that the human heart can maintain life for over 100 years with its own mysterious source of energy?

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We actually know where the energy that allows our hearts to pump comes from, and it's not even that mysterious (see how long your heart pumps when you've been deprived of nourishment, and especially, oxygen).

[*] … that of the countless functions of the human body, if any of them were omitted or occurred in a different order, it would wipe out humanity?

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We wouldn't even have evolved into existence in the first place with problems like that. That's the kind of thing natural selection weeds out pretty efficiently.

[*]… that many atheists try to assert there is no God due to deaths in past wars, while they neglect to acknowledge the fact that 4.5 million people die of natural causes across the globe every MONTH (55 million per year)?

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Um, deaths in past wars are not a reason that God doesn't exist. Deaths in religiously motivated wars are a pretty good argument against being religious though. And if God is real, God is responsible for all deaths from natural causes. At least with war deaths, we're killing each other, not being personally taken out by the omnipotent creator and sustainer of the universe.

[*]… that atheists will become angry when these facts are pointed out in this forum post? This anger obviously stems from the atheist continuously fighting his own conscience as it repeatedly points out all of these facts.

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You have quite a peculiar idea of what constitutes a fact.

Is all the above a coincidence? Clearly not, but rather it is proof for a Divine Creator.

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And quite a peculiar notion of 'coincidence' and 'proof', too.

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You are just shooting from the hip in all of your replies - it's embarrassing. If we really knew the source of the energy that makes our hearts beat, then we could just simply start up people's hearts that have stopped!

And not another comment about evolution! You really should read some books where the author is not an atheist so you can get the full story on things.

And your comment on "religious wars" was pathetic. As if someone is going to say to themselves, "I want to avoid being religious in case of religious war". Holy smokes dude. There are also wars fought about race, random arguments, and conquest of land - wars are inevitable. 5 million people are born every month, and 5 million people leave the world every month - that's the way the world works.

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• that the air quality on earth just happens to provide the perfect environment to sustain human life, never varying... such that human beings become poisoned or suffocated, wiping out all humanity?
  

There is a huge variety in air quality, both in purity and in oxygen content.  Compare smoggy Beijing to the summit of Everest to an isolated area on the seashore and you will get three completely different readings.

•  … that the distance of the earth from the sun never varies such that all humanity either burns or freezes to death?
  

That distance varies as Earth orbits the Sun.

• … that atheists admit there are laws of nature, but deny there is anyone who created those laws?
  

Equivocation fallacy, confounding two different definitions of "law."  A "law of nature" is merely a description of some consistency in a natural phenomenon; it is not enforced by a celestial court of law.

•  … that studies have been performed confirming that there is no place on earth where religion hasn't been practiced? Why do people have this built-in instinct?
  

You might want to tell that to the Pirahã tribe in the Amazon rainforest.  According to [linguist Daniel] Everett, the Pirahã have no concept of a supreme spirit or god,and they lost interest in  Jesus when they discovered that Everett had never seen him.

Oh, and I've never experienced that so-called "instinct."  Religion is a learned response, not a natural inborn one.

• that every person is born with a built-in knowledge that actions such as murder, suicide, theft, and deceit are wrong, without ever having to learn about this in school?
  
•  that every person that goes against this built-in knowledge (the natural law) also has a voice of conscience that rebukes him repeatedly that what he did was wrong? Where does this voice come from and why do we all have it?
  

Apparently you've never heard of psychopaths.  As for learning about morality in school, that is superfluous to the teaching already received  in early childhood from one's parents:  "Don't hit your brother.  How would you like it if he hit you?"  "Share your toys."  

• that every person has a built-in desire to pursue the truth in matters, and to balance the scales of justice when they become imbalanced?
  

I know people who do the exact opposite, using wishful thinking to avoid confronting their addictions, behaviours, bad relationships, financial problems, and other things.  (And on what grounds do you purport to know the desires of "every person"?  I'm reasonably sure that if we gave you a mind-reading test you would fail it.)

• that every person instinctively begs God for help when death appears imminent, whether they previously learned to do this or not.
  

Nope.  I know from my own experience that the above statement is false.  When I was 11 I was mountain-climbing and got into a dangerous spot where I was one misstep away from plummeting 1400 feet to certain death.  It never even occurred to me to ask a god for help; not only did I not believe in any gods, but I was much too busy trying to establish a strong handhold and chart a safe course to a nearby ledge.

•  that men and women just happen to be created with a built in desire for one another?
  

I take it that you've never heard of the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Trans*, Two Spirit, Queer, Questioning, Intersex, and Asexual (LGBTTQ*) community, then?  

• that men and women just happen to have the built-in desire for self-preservation and procreation?
  

Oh, that's an evolved trait.  Animals that have no desire for self-preservation or procreation die without reproducing, leaving only the animals that do have those survival instinct.

• that there is an automated food chain across the globe that continuously maintains life?
  

Again, an evolved ecosystem.  We eat what's available, and other animals eat what's available.  Photosynthesis plays a pretty big role in the system, too.

•  that the human brain, a 3 pound piece of tissue, is the most complex computer found on the planet?
  

I expect this to change as computing technology continues to improve.  This so-called "computer" also lacks a great deal of precision and is subject to biochemical derangement and retention of false information and unhealthy behavioural patterns.  It's also tied to substandard input devices:  Compared to other species we don't hear all that well, and we don't see all that well either.

• that the human heart can maintain life for over 100 years with its own mysterious source of energy?
  

"Mysterious" as in "brain, lungs, gastrointestinal tract, food, water and air"?  Take away any of the above, and you can wave bye-bye to Mr. Heart.

• that of the countless functions of the human body, if any of them were omitted or occurred in a different order, it would wipe out humanity?
  

Well, I think that most of us can do quite nicely without an appendix -- and we'd be in considerably less danger of choking to death if we had separate ingress to the lungs and stomach.  Hair growth is nice, but hardly essential.  (Oh, and the lumbar spine and the knees are engineering nightmares.)  One would think that a divine "designer" with more than half a working brain cell should  have figured out by now that humans could benefit from better joints, self-healing spinal cords and peripheral nerves, limbs capable of regeneration, and an endocrine system capable of dealing with high stress and high carbohydrates without having conniptions and screwing up hormone production.

• that many atheists try to assert there is no God due to deaths in past wars, while they neglect to acknowledge the fact that 4.5 million people die of natural causes across the globe every MONTH (55 million per year)?
  

I do not belong  that particular group of atheists.  I fully acknowledge the reality of death and see the existence or non-existence of gods as a completely separate issue, being a nonbeliever simply because I've yet to see any evidence for gods that I find convincing.

• that atheists will become angry when these facts are pointed out in this forum post? This anger obviously stems from the atheist continuously fighting his own conscience as it repeatedly points out all of these facts.
  

Angry?  No, I'm smirking at your gullibility and at your use of the word "facts" in connection with your paean to religiously-fueled wilful ignorance.

Regarding air quality and distance of the Earth from the sun - we all know there are variations. The point remains that the variations somehow always remain within bounds to keep us all alive.

Religion is not a learned response or we wouldn't have so much history of people practicing religion in the most remote locations of the world. In every land evidence is left behind that there was SOME type of religion being practiced. It's built into people to desire to do that, and that makes no sense if we truly evolved from an animal.

As for people automatically knowing that murder is wrong, I'm speaking about the RULE, not the exception. As a rule ( with people that are considered completely sane), not one of them can murder someone and then later say, "But I didn't know murder was wrong!". Everyone instinctively knows that person is lying ( assuming they are sane) because we are ALL born with knowledge of certain laws such as murder being wrong. No atheists can answer why this is the general rule in society.

As for people calling on God in times of crisis, again, you bring up the exception to the rule instead of focusing on the rule. Watch any survival show where people think their last breath is any moment, and even nonreligious people suddenly look up to the sky and say, "God help me!".  Watch the show, "I Shouldn't Be Alive", and you'll see it happen again and again and again .Just because you didn't do that during your climbing expedition doesn't disprove my point.

Regarding the pursuit of truth and balancing the scales of justice, again you speak of exceptions instead of the rule. Mathematicians and scientists always pursue the truth in their work as a rule - it's built into people to want that or math and science couldn't exist. It's also built into people, without having to learn in school, that justice needs to be paid when someone does something wrong. That is the rule among people. If we really evolved from an ape, it makes no sense that we would have all of these coincidences built into us.

And don't get me started on the theory of evolution hoax - created by an atheist for atheists. I'm not going down that rat hole.

You purposely avoid the points being made. The fact that our brain, a piece of meat, COULD possibly ALSO be a computer at the same time is the fact you should be focusing on. It is a marvel in itself.

[Minimalist]

If evolution is God ordained, seems like a 'heads up' on the topic might have found it's way into Scripture.


(IOW, I am again concerned about your possibility of Salvation given your tendency towards subtle heresy)

CL's understanding is right in line with Catholic doctrine.

Well....now.

It didn't start off that way...........

On the Origin of Species was published in 1859, during the papacy of Pope Pius IX, who defined dogmatically papal infallibility during the First Vatican Council in 1869–70. The council has a section on "Faith and Reason" that includes the following on science and faith:

9. Hence all faithful Christians are forbidden to defend as the legitimate conclusions of science those opinions which are known to be contrary to the doctrine of faith, particularly if they have been condemned by the Church; and furthermore they are absolutely bound to hold them to be errors which wear the deceptive appearance of truth. ... 10. Not only can faith and reason never be at odds with one another but they mutually support each other, for on the one hand right reason established the foundations of the faith and, illuminated by its light, develops the science of divine things; on the other hand, faith delivers reason from errors and protects it and furnishes it with knowledge of many kinds.
— Vatican Council I

On God the Creator, the Vatican Council was very clear. The definitions preceding the "anathema" (as a technical term of Catholic theology, let him be "cut off" or excommunicated, cf. Galatians 1:6–9; Titus 3:10–11; Matthew 18:15–17) signify an infallible doctrine of the Catholic Faith (De Fide):
On God the creator of all things

1. If anyone denies the one true God, creator and lord of things visible and invisible: let him be anathema.
   

In 1870 that church would have tied her to a stake and lit the fire if they thought they could get away with it!  It didn't change until 1950.

Pope Pius XII's encyclical of 1950, Humani generis, was the first encyclical to specifically refer to evolution, and took up a neutral position, again concentrating on human evolution:

The Church does not forbid that ... research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter.

Such is the "universal" and "unchanging" word of god!

[The Grand Nudger]

What do you find marvelous about it?  Your desktop, at it;s heart, is a cleverly arranged piece of rock.  Computers can be built out of -almost- anything (levers and string...lol..toilet paper rolls..believe it or not). Don't get me wrong, I'm smitten with computers and my brain too, particularly if it's a computer. Just wondering where the wonder is for you.

(ps, the "meat", more aptly in the computer analogy, is the heatsink, not the computer - that'd be the electrochemical network)

[Astonished]

By "perfectly" you must mean "good enough, barely, for now"..............................?  The way that christers use words -is- funny.

I like how you come in and follow-up with a criticism of someone before I can get in there and perhaps be too big of an asshole in my rebutting them. Also a time-saver.

But an argument from ignorance is still an argument from ignorance. And every example of something that went right has an exponentially greater number of examples of something vastly, horrifically wrong. You can't just give this kind and loving god credit only for the good. But then Yahweh is a petulant, whiny, tantrum-throwing immature child, so blaming everything bad on the 'fall' of man shows how petty and unforgiving Yahweh is.

So, again, I get how believing in him out of fear of hell works, but I do not and will not ever understand how anyone can claim to LOVE or worship that malevolent monster.

[Ravenshire]

Isn't it funny..

That PBR comes in here expecting to magically change our minds, making claim after claim without supplying the least in evidence for even the mundane claims?

[Succubus]

... If we really knew the source of the energy that makes our hearts beat, then we could just simply start up people's hearts that have stopped!

This new learning amazes me, Sir pabsta. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.

[Astreja]

Regarding air quality and distance of the Earth from the sun - we all know there are variations...

As for people automatically knowing that murder is wrong, I'm speaking about the RULE, not the exception...

As for people calling on God in times of crisis, again, you bring up the exception to the rule instead of focusing on the rule...

Regarding the pursuit of truth and balancing the scales of justice, again you speak of exceptions instead of the rule...

Ah.  So when I point out the flaws in your argument, you suddenly change your tune from "always" this and "perfect" that and "everyone blah blah blah", to "Yes, there are exceptions, buuut..."
Thank you for admitting that your original post was false witness.  I strongly advise you to confess that sin at the next possible opportunity, lest you forget to do it and go to your imaginary hell on a technicality.  

[Amarok]

Regarding air quality and distance of the Earth from the sun - we all know there are variations...

None of which jive with you notion of the sun dancing around .

As for people automatically knowing that murder is wrong, I'm speaking about the RULE, not the exception...

And your still wrong

As for people calling on God in times of crisis, again, you bring up the exception to the rule instead of focusing on the rule...

Those exceptions still exist and cannot be ignored . Though you have not even proven this assertion is a rule.

Regarding the pursuit of truth and balancing the scales of justice, again you speak of exceptions instead of the rule...

Which has nothing to do with a god

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Regarding air quality and distance of the Earth from the sun - we all know there are variations...

As for people automatically knowing that murder is wrong, I'm speaking about the RULE, not the exception...

As for people calling on God in times of crisis, again, you bring up the exception to the rule instead of focusing on the rule...

Regarding the pursuit of truth and balancing the scales of justice, again you speak of exceptions instead of the rule...

Ah.  So when I point out the flaws in your argument, you suddenly change your tune from "always" this and "perfect" that and "everyone blah blah blah", to "Yes, there are exceptions, buuut..."
Thank you for admitting that your original post was false witness.  I strongly advise you to confess that sin at the next possible opportunity, lest you forget to do it and go to your imaginary hell on a technicality.  

What do you expect the story change as it is refuted

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The problem is not that we don't know what powers our organs. The problem is if the body could handle the reactivation. Your idiotic idea that understanding means reversible . We understand why paper burns but I cannot unburn paper

[Thumpalumpacus]

Isn't It Funny...
 
… that gravity on earth just happens to be the perfect value to allow humans to move freely, and never varies such that people become stuck in place or float into the atmosphere, wiping out humanity?

Isn't it funny that the water in a puddle exactly conforms itself to the shape of the hole?

… that the air quality on earth just happens to provide the perfect environment to sustain human life, never varying such that human beings become poisoned or suffocated, wiping out all humanity?

And isn't it funny that the roads I drive on are perfectly fitted for driving? Even funnier, isn't it funny how many two-wheel-drive vehicles get stuck when they wander into terrain not suited for their travel? I wonder what happens to those vehicles?

That's right -- they get stuck.

… that the distance of the earth from the sun never varies such that all humanity either burns or freezes to death?

Isn't it funny how you cannot grow tomatoes in northern Canada? I mean, tomatoes exist. Surely they should be able to take root anywhere, since they already exist.

… that atheists admit there are laws of nature, but deny there is anyone who created those laws?

Isn't it funny how people misunderstand the use of the word "law" when used scientifically (where it means, 'we have yet to see an outside result'), rather than 'this is the way it must be'?"

… that studies have been performed confirming that there is no place on earth where religion hasn't been practiced? Why do people have this built-in instinct?

Isn't it funny how people practice the naturalistic fallacy?

… that every person is born with a built-in knowledge that actions such as murder, suicide, theft, and deceit are wrong, without ever having to learn about this in school?

Isn't it funny how many Christians there are in prison for violating this "knowledge" they were apparently born with and which knowledge was allegedly supported by belief in a Law-Giver?

… that every person that goes against this built-in knowledge (the natural law) also has a voice of conscience that rebukes him repeatedly that what he did was wrong? Where does this voice come from and why do we all have it?

Isn't it funny how some folks are apparently ignorant of sociopathy?

… that every person has a built-in desire to pursue the truth in matters, and to balance the scales of justice when they become imbalanced?

Isn't it funny how pathological liars exist?

… that every person instinctively begs God for help when death appears imminent, whether they previously learned to do this or not?

Isn't it funny how people project their own proclivities to everyone else? Even funnier, isn't it funny how this sort of horseshit is trafficked by people who have never faced their own imminent death?

… that men and women just happen to be created with a built in desire for one another?

Isn't it funny how gay people, you know, exist?

… that men and women just happen to have the built-in desire for self-preservation and procreation?

Isn't it funny how all life has this? And wouldn't it be funnier if an animal with a death-wish survived despite its own tendencies?

… that there is an automated food chain across the globe that continuously maintains life?

Isn't it funny that that chain is so automated that well more than 99% of all species whichever lived are extinct?

… that the human brain, a 3 pound piece of tissue, is the most complex computer found on the planet?

Isn't it funny that some people so misuse that computer to arrive at idiotic conclusions?

… that the human heart can maintain life for over 100 years with its own mysterious source of energy?

Isn't it funny how unmysterious food is as an energy source?

… that of the countless functions of the human body, if any of them were omitted or occurred in a different order, it would wipe out humanity?

Isn't it funny how so many functions of the body are actually omitted and don't kill people?

… that many atheists try to assert there is no God due to deaths in past wars, while they neglect to acknowledge the fact that 4.5 million people die of natural causes across the globe every MONTH (55 million per year)?

Even funnier is the idea that these humans who die of natural cause are alleged to be created by a loving god who sees the as his own children.

… that atheists will become angry when these facts are pointed out in this forum post? This anger obviously stems from the atheist continuously fighting his own conscience as it repeatedly points out all of these facts.

Funnier than that is the fact that no matter your egotism, you haven't asked anything new, and you're not angering this particular atheist.
 

Is all the above a coincidence? Clearly not, but rather it is proof for a Divine Creator.

If you're the best messenger he can dig up, he's in some deep shit. Think more and post less.

[Cyberman]

... If we really knew the source of the energy that makes our hearts beat, then we could just simply start up people's hearts that have stopped!

This new learning amazes me, Sir pabsta. Explain again how sheep's bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes.

Yeah, electricity must be unheard of on his planet.