North Korea Backs Down

[Rahul]

What the hell can china do to defend North Korea aginast a sudden air strike by stealth aircraft, unless they pre-positioned a lot of assets in North Korea first?

They won't be able to stop a surprise attack in all likelihood.  But unlike North Korea, we really don't want to move toward war with China.  Even the trade being seriously affected between the two of us would send the entire planet into a recession, probably much worse than the  Great Recession.  I could easily see us losing some of our Naval ships in the South China Sea.  Actually we would be lucky if we only lost a few destroyers.  That would just be a way of them telling us they weren't very pleased with our actions.  That would be a minor reaction.

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Actually, now that I think of it. China would probably hit all of our bases in South Korea. Hit them hard.

[chimp3]

[vorlon13]

Ditch the Kims, set up North Korea like Hong Kong, and sit back and make some fucking money you stooopid fucking mother fuckers.

[Jackalope]

Ditch the Kims, set up North Korea like Hong Kong, and sit back and make some fucking money you stooopid fucking mother fuckers.

I seriously doubt that the malnourished have the energy to do so, and those that aren't, are looking to keep things that way.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

[Pat Mustard]

Thinking about it, the last time when the US was in a war where you could classify them as "the good guys" without severely distorting that term was Korea I. And even then they were willing to engage in very questionable practices.

So you don't think we are the good guys against ISIS in Syria?

Ye armed them in the first place, mainly because the real opposition to Assad knew turning to violent rebellion was a mistake. You can't claim good guy by shitting on people from on high and then coming in and wiping the edges with a j-cloth.

[Drich]

[Crossless2.0]

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Precisely.

It takes a considerable amount of willful stupidity to think this was ever anything else. So of course Trump's slack-jawed supporters will clap and bark on cue, as the Great Leader pats himself on the back for forcing Kim to do what he was always going to do anyway. 

Again.. provide one instance where we/obama or bush told Un to back down and He did.

Dude never backed down because he thought china always would have his back.

"Trump's rhetoric" has unnerved the Chinese enough to tell either side if the start something China will not back them. Trump bluff/rhetoric says he does not care, which has china doubble down on sanctions to north korea and start moving from them. It is this pressure that has UN backing down, not because he was going to anyway.

Think about it.. why would UN uset the only country willing to deal with Him if he was always planning to back down?

When it came to his development of ICBMs and nuclear weapons, you're right -- he never backed down. But that's not the context of my remark.

With respect to Kim's bluster about attacking Guam, do you really think he meant to do that (knowing the consequences) and only backed down because of Trump's public bellicosity? Seriously?!?

Provide one instance when the U.S. has removed the nuclear option from the table in the event of a nuclear attack or a conventional-weapons attack via ICBMs from North Korea or anyone else.

Kim got what he thinks he needs to prevent attack/invasion from his enemies and secure his regime: an overwhelming deterrent. That is what has motivated N. Korea's nuclear program from the start. Whether Trump or another occupied the White House, do you really think Kim was going to go to the trouble of developing this capability, only to use it with the knowledge that he would destroy his regime in the process?

[The Grand Nudger]

So you don't think we are the good guys against ISIS in Syria?

Ye armed them in the first place, mainly because the real opposition to Assad knew turning to violent rebellion was a mistake. You can't claim good guy by shitting on people from on high and then coming in and wiping the edges with a j-cloth.

What on earth?  There is no choice but to "turn violent" against a despot who gasses his own people...Tazzy.  

You don't think that such an asshole can be talked down, do you?  Talking requires that you inhale...which is...conveniently, how you deliver airborn toxins. Hilariously, you reponded to a question about ISIS with some nonesense about Assad. They're enemies, not the same thing. Mull it over. Two or more groups of deplorables actively exploding and/or gassing anyone who doesn't agree with them....and the answer -isn't- fighting for you life by any means?

I guess they should just forfeit their lives in peaceful, noble, non-conformity.......

[Pat Mustard]

Ye armed them in the first place, mainly because the real opposition to Assad knew turning to violent rebellion was a mistake. You can't claim good guy by shitting on people from on high and then coming in and wiping the edges with a j-cloth.

What on earth?  There is no choice but to "turn violent" against a despot who gasses his own people...Tazzy.  

You don't think that such an asshole can be talked down, do you?  Talking requires that you inhale...which is...conveniently, how you deliver airborn toxins.  Hilariously, you reponded to a question about ISIS with some nonesense about Assad.  They're enemies, not the same thing.  Mull it over.  Two or more groups of deplorables actively exploding and/or gassing anyone who doesn't agree with them....and the answer -isn't- fighting for you life by any means?

I guess they should just forfeit their lives in peaceful, noble, non-conformity.......

And what was the result of a couple if idiots taking Amercai's and Britain's small arms and turning the rsistance violent? Oh right, they got royally fucked.

There's three ways a violent rebellion works 1) you've enough power relative to the opressor that you can find them to a standstill, 2) you catch the opressor at a point where they can be easily persuaded they should get out or 3) have an outside ally with the muscle and will to oust your opressor. The Syrian opposition had none of these so the best option was to stay non violent and hope the world turned.

Oh and they had the added problem that once arms came in things got tribal. One group got arms so a lot of other groups who were previously sympathetic either went back to the Assad went to ISIS or some other group which had no interest in justice or democracy.

If you're analysis of these kind of situations is typical (and frankly for an American that kind of fantasising is genius) no wonder your country's foreign policy is so fucked up and anti humanitarian.