North Korea Backs Down

[Drich]

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Again.. provide one instance where we/obama or bush told Un to back down and He did.

Dude never backed down because he thought china always would have his back.

"Trump's rhetoric" has unnerved the Chinese enough to tell either side if the start something China will not back them. Trump bluff/rhetoric says he does not care, which has china doubble down on sanctions to north korea and start moving from them. It is this pressure that has UN backing down, not because he was going to anyway.

Think about it.. why would UN uset the only country willing to deal with Him if he was always planning to back down?

When it came to his development of ICBMs and nuclear weapons, you're right -- he never backed down. But that's not the context of my remark.

With respect to Kim's bluster about attacking Guam, do you really think he meant to do that (knowing the consequences) and only backed down because of Trump's public bellicosity? Seriously?!?

To you he may have been unprovoked untill Trump started with His big man big stick stich.
But the North Koreans have been provke by the US since the cease fire in the 50s.

Provide one instance when the U.S. has removed the nuclear option from the table in the event of a nuclear attack or a conventional-weapons attack via ICBMs from North Korea or anyone else.

When clinton signed the "new era" agreement where the US paid outbillions to North Korea in an effort to not be a dick country when IL was in charge.
https://video.search.yahoo.com/yhs/searc...ction=view

This is almost identical to what Obama did for Iran.

Kim got what he thinks he needs to prevent attack/invasion from his enemies and secure his regime: an overwhelming deterrent.

Ah, no.. He had that overwhelming deterrent since 1953 when China poured their guys into the korean conflict to bring us back to the stalemate on the 38th paralell. That deterrent has been in place since then which is why every president except trump has treated N.korea with kid gloves. Untill trump. Trump's "rhetoric" unseated the chinese and for the first time in 60+ years put the north Korean sheild/China's army at risk.

Now let me ask you this... If Jong UN wasn't intent on blowing up guam then why endanger his relationship with China?? Look at what has been taken from North korea.. The only country that will trade with them has cut off their 4 largest exports (at considerable cost to China) And we now know that their is a limit on How much BS from North korea they are willing to protect... That is a monstrous loss to the idea of invurnablity north korea had.

That is what has motivated N. Korea's nuclear program from the start.

To a degree. in reality what they wanted was to hold the world hostage and open trade by force. the Kim's wanted to act with impunity and have their nukes to keep them from anything any other country may want to do to them. In essence they see themselves as a world super power, but the United states will not allow them to take the stage. So the nukes will allow them to do this by force.

Whether Trump or another occupied the White House, do you really think Kim was going to go to the trouble of developing this capability, only to use it with the knowledge that he would destroy his regime in the process?

China would not have allowed any response by us which is why Obama acted like a neutered dog around the n.koreans. He sold his soul to china with all the money he had to borrow from them. Trump has made it clear he will collapse the global economy before he lets any harm come to America. Which is why China is backed off the support of N.Korea and why the trade sanctions we wanted since China to put into place since Regan is finally happening with Trump... Trump knows how to manipulate a lender (when He is in the spot of being too big to fail like the US is with China) into getting what He needs from them. That is the card that obama did not know how to play and what makes China Sanction N.Korea like it never has before.

So again if this was Kim Un's plan... I simply ask why/How does N/K benfit from all that has happened?

[Sterben]

^^^

He's been making idle, toothless threats since he gained power.

Doesn't surprise me.

I always like to imagine what kind of weird sexual fetishes he has. I'm sure he's got all sorts of creepy kinks.

     He may of been one the few people who bought the Donald Chump, (It's a gag gift, that is a blow up doll).

[The Grand Nudger]

To you he may have been unprovoked untill Trump started with His big man big stick stich.
But the North Koreans have been provke by the US since the cease fire in the 50s.

Ha-ha....sounds like somebody here watckes NoKo propoganda in their free time.  I'd say I was surprised..but it's you...so I'm not.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I am relieved.

The era of Trump has taught me that sometimes the shit really does hit the fan, even when there's nary shit or fan in sight.

I would use this as an opportunity to advance anti-ICBM technology.

Perspective anti-ICBM technology seems more likely to increase the number of warheads that will get through rather than decreasing it, by encourage china and Russia to enlarge their arsenal by an amount equal to what it takes to get through, plus same safety margin. They can afford fairly large safety margins because it is far cheaper to build more ICBMs and equip them with penetration aids to defeat of missile defense than it takes to deploy the defense in the first place.

I did a paper on this in college. Between MIRVs, decoys, and cruise missiles, it seems obvious to me that even point-defense could be overwhelmed, and a nation-wide defense seems not possible with any technology we've conceived yet.

[Drich]

To you he may have been unprovoked untill Trump started with His big man big stick stich.
But the North Koreans have been provke by the US since the cease fire in the 50s.

Ha-ha....sounds like somebody here watckes NoKo propoganda in their free time.  I'd say I was surprised..but it's you...so I'm not.

 I know how NoKo's feel and think to some degree as we do still have family in noko as well as soko. He sees Himself as the supreme leader and as such no one should be able to oppose him. The US makes the family look weak. So to oppose the US' every demand makes them strong again.

[The Grand Nudger]

A limp wristed retreat, not entirely unlike your Dear Leaders not flinging bombs at Guam.  Crawl back under a rock, troll. Maybe, while you're there, you'll have a breakthrough in growing potatoes; solving NoKos real problems for all time.

[Anomalocaris]

Perspective anti-ICBM technology seems more likely to increase the number of warheads that will get through rather than decreasing it, by encourage china and Russia to enlarge their arsenal by an amount equal to what it takes to get through, plus same safety margin.   They can afford fairly large safety margins because it is far cheaper to build more ICBMs and equip them with penetration aids to defeat of missile defense than it takes to deploy the defense in the first place.

I did a paper on this in college. Between MIRVs, decoys, and cruise missiles, it seems obvious to me that even point-defense could be overwhelmed, and a nation-wide defense seems not possible with any technology we've conceived yet.

Against a primitive ICBM with one warhead, like the North Korean missile, it may be possible to provide sufficient terminal interceptors to assure reasonable chance of interception, provided the North Koreans don't get too clever with decoys.

Each heavy ICBM like Chinese DF-41 and Russian RS-28 missile can deliver 10 warheads and up to 20-40 decoys each.   In other words it takes 30-50 interceptors to assure successful point defense against one ICBM, assuming the interceptors never miss.  But  after 37 years of development and deployment,  the US ballistic missile defense system still doesn't have 30-50 deployed operational interceptors.  In other words if every interceptor works perfectly, not a scenario supported by test results, there is not enough interceptors to assure intercption of all the decoys and real warheads of just one single Russian or Chinese heavy ICBM.  I think pentagon projects the Chinese will be deploying 6 new DF-41 each year, and can surge to twice that rate on short notice.  Clearly the hardware based, terminal defense strategy adopted by the American approach to security against the missile threat from a major power is hopeless.

The only approach on the horizon that appears to provide better odds is boost phase interception. Here the goal is to take out the ICBM shortly after launch, when everything is still in one piece, than to hunt down the warheads and decoys separately after they separated from the missile booster. This would appear to,require positioning assets relatively close to the launch site. This is possible against a small country like North Korea, and seems impossible against large country with sophisticated air defense and anti-satellite capability, like china and Russia.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Exactly. The numbers in this game are against the defender in all but the most specialized of situations.

Not to mention submarine ICBMs, or SLCMs.