It Seems They Really Are Dumber Than Dog Shit

[Javaman]

And some people think the Archies made great music, too.

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The Titanic was making great headway, too. I wonder how that worked out for them?

And no one can say that the Titanic Holocaust didn't turn out to be an incredibly epic and memorable sailing adventure. It is said that you are far better off to not give gifts, but rather to give lasting memories and experiences one can hold for all of their life. I can assure you that everyone that came away from the Titanic Holocaust truly did have an unrivaled lasting memory from what turned out to be a breath-taking experience that was far more than anyone had originally anticipated or imagined.

You just need to be less pessimistic and focus more on the positive aspects of life.

Hey, just experimenting with the editing feature of AF. The bolded is best described as an accidental pun.

Hopefully this helps clarify why decent human being think you are either a despicable human being or troll. Keep in mind, in this context, troll is a compliment.

[Court Jester]

And no one can say that the Titanic Holocaust didn't turn out to be an incredibly epic and memorable sailing adventure. It is said that you are far better off to not give gifts, but rather to give lasting memories and experiences one can hold for all of their life. I can assure you that everyone that came away from the Titanic Holocaust truly did have an unrivaled lasting memory from what turned out to be a breath-taking experience that was far more than anyone had originally anticipated or imagined.

You just need to be less pessimistic and focus more on the positive aspects of life.

Hey, just experimenting with the editing feature of AF. The bolded is best described as an accidental pun.

Hopefully this helps clarify why decent human being think you are either a despicable human being or troll. Keep in mind, in this context, troll is a compliment.

Well, if the best I could do was to lob personal attacks rather than form a slightly educated and/or coherent argument around my personal beliefs or politics; I guess this could be perceived as trolling. Though I am of the belief that absolutely anything can be made a joke, I would suggest the fact that you ventured so far out into left field as to reword a post to make fun of Holocaust victims with a new account as a basis for your argument; well, this likely says more about your deeper seeds than my own. Kudos though.

I like disagreement because it forces both sides to question their own opinions and why they feel that way. ~Sam Hunt

[Javaman]

Well, if the best I could do was to lob personal attacks rather than form a slightly educated and/or coherent argument around my personal beliefs or politics; I guess this could be perceived as trolling. Though I am of the belief that absolutely anything can be made a joke, I would suggest the fact that you ventured so far out into left field as to reword a post to make fun of Holocaust victims with a new account as a basis for your argument; well, this likely says more about your deeper seeds than my own. Kudos though.

I like disagreement because it forces both sides to question their own opinions and why they feel that way. ~Sam Hunt

If you think I was trying to make fun of Holocaust victims, you've once again utterly missed the point.

[Hammok Man]

There are a lot of people who voted for Trump as a perceived lesser of two evils.

Currently he is perceived to be much more business friendly, that perception has created a pretty decent boost to the economy and the market.
I do not think policy has much to do with it at all, and I am curious as to how long it will last.

I think Obama's biggest problem was the uncertainty the health care bill threw into the economy. Business owners want to plan out as far as they can, the health care bill cast a huge shadow of uncertainty especially for small business. Larger businesses had resources to help interpret the bill and to plan for what ever effects come out of it, some were even able to lobby and get them selves exempt from parts of the bill that would negatively effect them. Small business sat on cash they would have used to expand, and put off hiring so they could better weather negative effects from the bill when they came up. It caused perceived instability, that equals an unfriendly business atmosphere.

As far as the Afghanistan troop build up, it is foolish to think this will work. The major thought of Trump supporters is that he will rework the rules of engagement, give commanders on the ground more autonomy and decision making. Basically not trying to micro manage a war. I cannot help but think that if the Russians failed to pacify the country, no amount of "Gloves Off" mentality is going to work.

[Fireball]

There are a lot of people who voted for Trump as a perceived lesser of two evils.

Currently he is perceived to be much more business friendly, that perception has created a pretty decent boost to the economy and the market.
I do not think policy has much to do with it at all, and I am curious as to how long it will last.

I think Obama's biggest problem was the uncertainty the health care bill threw into the economy.  Business owners want to plan out as far as they can, the health care bill cast a huge shadow of uncertainty especially for small business.  Larger businesses had resources to help interpret the bill and to plan for what ever effects come out of it, some were even able to lobby and get them selves exempt from parts of the bill that would negatively effect them.  Small business sat on cash they would have used to expand, and put off hiring so they could better weather negative effects from the bill when they came up.  It caused perceived instability, that equals an unfriendly business atmosphere.

As far as the Afghanistan troop build up, it is foolish to think this will work.  The major thought of Trump supporters is that he will rework the rules of engagement, give commanders on the ground more autonomy and decision making.  Basically not trying to micro manage a war.  I cannot help but think that if the Russians failed to pacify the country, no amount of "Gloves Off" mentality is going to work.

We know what the terrain is like. It gives a lot of trouble for fighting a "conventional" war. All that to the side, the USSR couldn't really succeed any more than we are now, but at least Russia isn't supplying arms(?) to the Afghans like the US did, back then.

[The Grand Nudger]

The russians were, allegedly, supplying arms to the taliban. Meh, it works, I can understand why they would.

[Minimalist]

Auh. People complain, but he hasn't done anything negative as of yet

You're out of your fucking mind.  His cabinet picks alone are a disaster and add in his penchant for letting corporate America poison the air and water and insisting that the Wall St. fucks be given carte blanche to crash the economy again.

The man is a pig.  No wonder you like his sorry ass.

[Court Jester]

I actually like him (though he wasn't my first choice) because he is less supportive of social welfare type systems. I still haven't seen any negative issues from anything that he's done though. There's a number of what if scenarios and emotional outcries flowing around, but I've not seen any ill effects of anything yet. I will say that I think the transgender in the military issue could be less than stellar, but I don't think the details of the plan have come out on that yet.

[The Grand Nudger]

Tell me how coal isn't a welfare queen, again? How about the trump brand, is that not a welfare queen?

In any case, I'm racking my brain here trying to figure out how being less supportive of people who live in poverty could possibly be counted as a "pro". That's the point of social welfare systems. To me, it seems slightly more worthwhile than corporate welfare systems.

[Court Jester]

Tell me how coal isn't a welfare queen, again? How about the trump brand, is that not a welfare queen?

In any case, I'm racking my brain here trying to figure out how being less supportive of people who live in poverty could possibly be counted as a "pro". That's the point of social welfare systems. To me, it seems slightly more worthwhile than corporate welfare systems.

Neither are. I don't pay extra taxes to support the Trump brand or coal industry (aside from Obama's added taxes). Even then, it puts people to work and isn't subsidized. People are dumb enough to pay for the trump brand and people it creates revenue for them and Trump. It puts people to work and creates work. Kind of an ignorant brand, I'll give you that. But it's not a welfare brand.

There are some business subsidies that I disagree with as well. I think the choice to bail out the banks and loan industries for the choices that they consciously made before, during, and after the recession was just absolutely we-tall-did. Sofa-king-we-tall-did.



On the social welfare part… It is my fault that I painted that statement with such a broad brush. Poor over statement on my end.

Some people do live in poverty for situations outside of their own control and they do need and deserve assistance. I'll never complain about the taxes that I pay (though I’m sure little to none goes to him) for Catfish Joe that has some mental issues and lives under a bridge about a mile or so from my plant. I would venture to guess that he doesn't receive a fraction of the help that he should actually be getting. I’ve given him money and I’ve picked up pizzas for work and given him one while he stood by the road yelling at cars. The guy’s a little scary really.

There is a guy that lives outside of Three Rivers, Michigan. I have friends and family there and see him all the time when I visit. All I know is that he is an older military veteran (hearsay), he lives in the woods north of Three Rivers (not sure where), and any time I have seen him out he is collecting bottles and cans on the side of the roads typically pushing his bike. What he does in the winter up there I couldn’t even imagine and I can’t even begin to fathom how horrible that would be up there in the winter. I’ve pulled my car over on the side of the road and offered him money and he looked away, kept pushing his bike, and said “Don’t need it. Don’t want it.” I’ve seen his bike at a gas station and put anywhere from $10 to $50 in the zip up lunch box on the front of his bike, as have a few other folks. The guy doesn’t have a “paying” job, but he’s doing what he can. Again, he isn’t getting a fraction of the assistance that he needs. Judging from his response to me, I unfortunately don’t see him asking it.

Two of many many thousands of instances where it is needed and I do believe should be endorsed and supported. I’m a republican and I have friends that are hard core republican business owners and managers as well. I don’t know a one of them that doesn’t feel the same way and hasn’t done similar things in the previously mentioned situations.


HOWEVER;

The welfare that I don’t support is the meth head, drunk, lazy person, etc. etc., that has no desire or intention of working or bettering themselves. They are content with however much they get per month is food stamps and a welfare check. That should absolutely come to a screeching halt. Assistance to kick their habit, yes. Assistance to become better educated so that they can better support themselves and their family, sure. But food stamps and check each month be can they simply choose not to, that’s a true welfare queen.