It Seems They Really Are Dumber Than Dog Shit

[Minimalist]

In any case, I'm racking my brain here trying to figure out how being less supportive of people who live in poverty could possibly be counted as a "pro".

You have to be a nazi shitwit to see that point of view.

[The Grand Nudger]

Tell me how coal isn't a welfare queen, again?  How about the trump brand, is that not a welfare queen?

In any case, I'm racking my brain here trying to figure out how being less supportive of people who live in poverty could possibly be counted as a "pro".  That's the point of social welfare systems.  To me, it seems slightly more worthwhile than corporate welfare systems.

Neither are. I don't pay extra taxes to support the Trump brand or coal industry (aside from Obama's added taxes).

Yes, you do.  Where do you think they get the money to dole out to either of these queens?

Even then, it puts people to work and isn't subsidized. People are dumb enough to pay for the trump brand and people it creates revenue for them and Trump. It puts people to work and creates work. Kind of an ignorant brand, I'll give you that. But it's not a welfare brand.

Puts people to work?  Coal subsidies don;t put people to work - they put automated earth movers to work...and it's ludicrous to say that they aren't susidies.  Similarly, the trump brand already employed those migrants, the only difference between now and then is that now..you..the taxpayer, subsidize trumps payroll commitment.  

There are some business subsidies that I disagree with as well. I think the choice to bail out the banks and loan industries for the choices that they consciously made before, during, and after the recession was just absolutely we-tall-did.  Sofa-king-we-tall-did.  

Only some?     

On the social welfare part… It is my fault that I painted that statement with such a broad brush. Poor over statement on my end.  

Some people do live in poverty for situations outside of their own control and they do need and deserve assistance. I'll never complain about the taxes that I pay (though I’m sure little to none goes to him) for Catfish Joe that has some mental issues and lives under a bridge about a mile or so from my plant. I would venture to guess that he doesn't receive a fraction of the help that he should actually be getting. I’ve given him money and I’ve picked up pizzas for work and given him one while he stood by the road yelling at cars. The guy’s a little scary really.  

Perhaps, if we weren't always looking to nickel and dime our welfare programs in order to "find" money to hand out to the rich in the form of tax breaks or corporate donors in the form of subsidies..he would get the assistance he requires?

There is a guy that lives outside of Three Rivers, Michigan. I have friends and family there and see him all the time when I visit. All I know is that he is an older military veteran (hearsay), he lives in the woods north of Three Rivers (not sure where), and any time I have seen him out he is collecting bottles and cans on the side of the roads typically pushing his bike. What he does in the winter up there I couldn’t even imagine and I can’t even begin to fathom how horrible that would be up there in the winter. I’ve pulled my car over on the side of the road and offered him money and he looked away, kept pushing his bike, and said “Don’t need it. Don’t want it.” I’ve seen his bike at a gas station and put anywhere from $10 to $50 in the zip up lunch box on the front of his bike, as have a few other folks. The guy doesn’t have a “paying” job, but he’s doing what he can. Again, he isn’t getting a fraction of the assistance that he needs. Judging from his response to me, I unfortunately don’t see him asking it.

You can lead a horse to water.... 

Two of many many thousands of instances where it is needed and I do believe should be endorsed and supported. I’m a republican and I have friends that are hard core republican business owners and managers as well. I don’t know a one of them that doesn’t feel the same way and hasn’t done similar things in the previously mentioned situations.  

-and yet the republican party platform is exclusively and explicitly to fuck the poor and needy.  Theres a disparity between your stated sympathies and the actions of your political affiliation.

HOWEVER;

The welfare that I don’t support is the meth head, drunk, lazy person, etc. etc., that has no desire or intention of working or bettering themselves. They are content with however much they get per month is food stamps and a welfare check. That should absolutely come to a screeching halt. Assistance to kick their habit, yes. Assistance to become better educated so that they can better support themselves and their family, sure. But food stamps and check each month be can they simply choose not to, that’s a true welfare queen.

Drug addicts need help.  "lazy" is, moist likely a figment of your own imagination combined with a batshit moralizing bent....and I've yet to see anyone on public assistance who was satisfied.  How many "true welfare queens" do you think there are...more or less since St. Ronnie popularized the fiction as a race-baiting dog whistle?

[Thumpalumpacus]

I still haven't seen any negative issues from anything that he's done though.

I think our loss of prestige in the world through his idiotic behavior is certainly a negative. He's made allies partners, partners neutrals, and enemies unwilling to talk things through.

I also think his trade policies stand a good chance of hurting the folks who voted for him ... not that he cares, he's already got his, lol. That hasn't panned out yet.

That's not to mention his negative influence on race relations in America, and his obstructionism to equal rights for all.

But hey, you see things from your own perspective. Pity you that you don't step outside your own box.

[Javaman]

I still haven't seen any negative issues from anything that he's done though.

I think our loss of prestige in the world through his idiotic behavior is certainly a negative. He's made allies partners, partners neutrals, and enemies unwilling to talk things through.

I also think his trade policies stand a good chance of hurting the folks who voted for him ... not that he cares, he's already got his, lol. That hasn't panned out yet.

That's not to mention his negative influence on race relations in America, and his obstructionism to equal rights for all.

But hey, you see things from your own perspective. Pity you that you don't step outside your own box.

There reaches a point where the rest of the world refuses to acknowledge the USA as the leader of the free world. Trump is the primary reason this has become a topic of discussion.

[Secular Elf]

Given his popularity, and how many independents are in this country, it would be great is we could get a Bernie party going. I'd join that.

Me too.