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(September 13, 2017 at 9:11 pm)Succubus Wrote: In-fucking-deed there is. There's fuckall on the telly so lets take a closer look at some* these bible scholars.
Clinton E. Arnold: president of the Evangelical Theological Society.
C. K. Barrett: Professor of Divinity at the University of Durham.
Richard Bauckham: “the Gospel of John is written by an eyewitness”
Gregory K. Beale: Professor of New Testament and Biblical Theology.
Craig Blomberg: Professor of the New Testament at Denver Seminary.
Darrell Bock: evangelical Christian and New Testament scholar.
Rudolf Karl Bultmann: Lutheran theologian and professor of New Testament.
Gary M. Burge: ordained minister in the Presbyterian Church.
D. A. Carson: Evangelical theologian and professor of the New Testament.
John H. Walton: professor of Old Testament at Wheaton College
James Dunn: Lightfoot Professor of Divinity.
Gordon D. Fee: Professor Emeritus of New Testament Studies.
Simon Gathercole: Director of Studies in Theology, Fitzwilliam College.
Joel B Green: Dean of the School of Theology Fuller Theological Seminary.
Robert Horton Gundry: professor of New Testament studies and Koine Greek.
Martin Hengel: Emeritus Professor of New Testament.
Larry Hurtado: Emeritus Professor of New Testament Language, Literature and Theology.
Karen Jobes: PhD from Westminster Theological Seminary.
Craig Keener: Professor of New Testament at Asbury Theological Seminary.
George Eldon Ladd: Baptist minister and professor of New Testament exegesis.
Richard N. Longenecker: Professor of New Testament at McMaster Divinity College.
Howard Marshall: Professor Emeritus of New Testament Exegesis.
Scot McKnight: professor of New Testament at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School.
Bruce M. Metzger: professor at Princeton Theological Seminary.
Douglas J. Moo: Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Illinois.
Leon Morris: ordained to the Anglican ministry in 1938.
Grant Osborne: degrees from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School.
Archibald Thomas Robertson: Southern Baptist preacher and biblical scholar.
Frank Stagg: Ph.D. Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.
Graham N. Stanton: Lady Margaret's Professor of Divinity Cambridge.
University Robert L. Thomas: president of the Evangelical Theological Society.
Francis Watson: Christian scholar and professor of New Testament Exegesis.
Rikk E. Watts: Master of Divinity Gordon-Conwell.
Michael J. Wilkins: M.Div., Talbot Theological Seminary.
Ben Witherington III: ordained pastor in the United Methodist Church.
Nicholas Thomas Wright: New Testament scholar, and retired Anglican bishop.
Now then trivial Rik. Do you see a pattern here? Every one of these 'bible scholars' is a priest/theologian. You know; people who's livelihoods depend on this idiotic story being true. And not a history degree between them, masters of divinity (Whatever the fuck that is) plenty, a masters in history, none. Not fucking one! Now here's a challenge for you. find me a comparative list of bible scholars that are>
a) Not priests.
b) Not theologians.
c) Has a degree in history.
*For every one you can name I will present another list of wankers as long as this one. And these are only the REMFs, I haven't listed any of the big guns yet.
Good luck.
Good luck?
There is no need for any luck Succu.
Is all so so simple.
Just read this link below.
(September 13, 2017 at 1:36 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: The story hasn't changed, dude. Jesus of Nazareth has practically no historicity, and even mainstream scholarship concedes that the stories about him are either mostly or entirely bullshit. Either way, the character we see in the Bible is fictional, and your knockoff gospel Jesus is also fictional.
You surely must have a fixation with the Bible.
Did I ever mention the Bible in defense for Jesus story?
Just read the link that I posted in my previous post about the non-Christian sources that tell us about the historicity of Jesus.
You know the hippie aqua-gospel wouldn't be remotely relevant if the bible didn't exist, right?
You do know that, right?
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
(September 13, 2017 at 9:11 pm)Succubus Wrote: In-fucking-deed there is. There's fuckall on the telly so lets take a closer look at some* these bible scholars.
Clinton E. Arnold: president of the Evangelical Theological Society.
C. K. Barrett: Professor of Divinity at the University of Durham.
Richard Bauckham: “the Gospel of John is written by an eyewitness”
Gregory K. Beale: Professor of New Testament and Biblical Theology.
Craig Blomberg: Professor of the New Testament at Denver Seminary.
Darrell Bock: evangelical Christian and New Testament scholar.
Rudolf Karl Bultmann: Lutheran theologian and professor of New Testament.
Gary M. Burge: ordained minister in the Presbyterian Church.
D. A. Carson: Evangelical theologian and professor of the New Testament.
John H. Walton: professor of Old Testament at Wheaton College
James Dunn: Lightfoot Professor of Divinity.
Gordon D. Fee: Professor Emeritus of New Testament Studies.
Simon Gathercole: Director of Studies in Theology, Fitzwilliam College.
Joel B Green: Dean of the School of Theology Fuller Theological Seminary.
Robert Horton Gundry: professor of New Testament studies and Koine Greek.
Martin Hengel: Emeritus Professor of New Testament.
Larry Hurtado: Emeritus Professor of New Testament Language, Literature and Theology.
Karen Jobes: PhD from Westminster Theological Seminary.
Craig Keener: Professor of New Testament at Asbury Theological Seminary.
George Eldon Ladd: Baptist minister and professor of New Testament exegesis.
Richard N. Longenecker: Professor of New Testament at McMaster Divinity College.
Howard Marshall: Professor Emeritus of New Testament Exegesis.
Scot McKnight: professor of New Testament at Trinity Evangelical Divinity School.
Bruce M. Metzger: professor at Princeton Theological Seminary.
Douglas J. Moo: Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Illinois.
Leon Morris: ordained to the Anglican ministry in 1938.
Grant Osborne: degrees from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School.
Archibald Thomas Robertson: Southern Baptist preacher and biblical scholar.
Frank Stagg: Ph.D. Southern Baptist Theological Seminary.
Graham N. Stanton: Lady Margaret's Professor of Divinity Cambridge.
University Robert L. Thomas: president of the Evangelical Theological Society.
Francis Watson: Christian scholar and professor of New Testament Exegesis.
Rikk E. Watts: Master of Divinity Gordon-Conwell.
Michael J. Wilkins: M.Div., Talbot Theological Seminary.
Ben Witherington III: ordained pastor in the United Methodist Church.
Nicholas Thomas Wright: New Testament scholar, and retired Anglican bishop.
Now then trivial Rik. Do you see a pattern here? Every one of these 'bible scholars' is a priest/theologian. You know; people who's livelihoods depend on this idiotic story being true. And not a history degree between them, masters of divinity (Whatever the fuck that is) plenty, a masters in history, none. Not fucking one! Now here's a challenge for you. find me a comparative list of bible scholars that are>
a) Not priests.
b) Not theologians.
c) Has a degree in history.
*For every one you can name I will present another list of wankers as long as this one. And these are only the REMFs, I haven't listed any of the big guns yet.
Good luck.
Good luck?
There is no need for any luck Succu.
Is all so so simple.
Just read this link below.
(September 13, 2017 at 1:36 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: The story hasn't changed, dude. Jesus of Nazareth has practically no historicity, and even mainstream scholarship concedes that the stories about him are either mostly or entirely bullshit. Either way, the character we see in the Bible is fictional, and your knockoff gospel Jesus is also fictional.
Quote:You surely must have a fixation with the Bible.
Did I ever mention the Bible in defense for Jesus story?
Just read the link that I posted in my previous post about the non-Christian sources that tell us about the historicity of Jesus.
Quote:The only two events subject to "almost universal assent" are that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9]
2) Amy-Jill Levine: Theologian.
3) James Dunn: Theologian 4) William, R. Herzog: Theologian. 5) John Dominic Crossan: Theologian. 6) Craig Alan Evans: Theologian. 7) Christopher M. Tuckett: Anglican priest. 8)Bart D Ehrman: The darling of apologists everywhere because they think he supports their case. 9) Bruce Chilton: Theologian.
But that link is totally unrelated to what I asked you. Now go and find me a few bible scholars who are not Christian apologists.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
Quote:What has theology ever said that is of the smallest use to anybody? When has theology ever said anything that is demonstrably true and is not obvious? I have listened to theologians, read them, debated against them. I have never heard any of them ever say anything of the smallest use, anything that was not either platitudinously obvious or downright false. If all the achievements of scientists were wiped out tomorrow, there would be no doctors but witch doctors, no transport faster than horses, no computers, no printed books, no agriculture beyond subsistence peasant farming. If all the achievements of theologians were wiped out tomorrow, would anyone notice the smallest difference? Even the bad achievements of scientists, the bombs, and sonar-guided whaling vessels work! The achievements of theologians don’t do anything, don’t affect anything, don’t mean anything. What makes anyone think that “theology” is a subject at all?
Quote:The only two events subject to "almost universal assent" are that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist and was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate.[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9]
2) Amy-Jill Levine: Theologian.
3) James Dunn: Theologian 4) William, R. Herzog: Theologian. 5) John Dominic Crossan: Theologian. 6) Craig Alan Evans: Theologian. 7) Christopher M. Tuckett: Anglican priest. 8)Bart D Ehrman: The darling of apologists everywhere because they think he supports their case. 9) Bruce Chilton: Theologian.
But that link is totally unrelated to what I asked you. Now go and find me a few bible scholars who are not Christian apologists.
That is quite dishonest on your part Succu.
First you claim and boost that only religious people pretend that Jesus story is valid for historicity purposes.
When I did show you that you are dead wrong with my link now you jump on one more story that I suppose to contradict if I can.
Why don't you stop with this farce and apologize for being dead wrong?
(September 14, 2017 at 1:47 pm)Succubus Wrote: How utterly predictable. From your link:
2) Amy-Jill Levine: Theologian.
3) James Dunn: Theologian 4) William, R. Herzog: Theologian. 5) John Dominic Crossan: Theologian. 6) Craig Alan Evans: Theologian. 7) Christopher M. Tuckett: Anglican priest. 8)Bart D Ehrman: The darling of apologists everywhere because they think he supports their case. 9) Bruce Chilton: Theologian.
But that link is totally unrelated to what I asked you. Now go and find me a few bible scholars who are not Christian apologists.
Reword that into something legible and get back to me.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
All your links tell us is about the various names of these people in different languages.
All garbage with no evidence of nothing.
So nothing to do whether these people that today we call Jews existed or not 2000 years ago.
They certainly existed even before them, in fact the original name come from the sanskrit language which is a lot older than 2000 years.
(September 15, 2017 at 10:43 am)Little Rik Wrote: The first followers were so full of spirituality that for the spiritual ideal were prepared to die in the Colosseum.
Well so fucking what! There's never been a shortage if idiots prepared to die for a cause.
Now, about that list of non apologist bible scholars. It's been two days now and I'm flat-out waiting.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
September 15, 2017 at 5:43 pm (This post was last modified: September 15, 2017 at 5:44 pm by Redbeard The Pink.)
(September 15, 2017 at 10:43 am)Little Rik Wrote:
(September 14, 2017 at 12:06 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: You know the hippie aqua-gospel wouldn't be remotely relevant if the bible didn't exist, right?
You do know that, right?
Wrong once again Pinky.
Jesus left such a legacy of spirituality that even without the Bible there would be followers.
The first followers were so full of spirituality that for the spiritual ideal were prepared to die in the Colosseum.
Beside the Apostles went around the known world to spread Jesus's spirituality.
They didn't carry any Bibles with them.
I see you haven't really looked into the historicity of the apostles, either. I find that unsurprising.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
September 16, 2017 at 9:24 am (This post was last modified: September 16, 2017 at 9:52 am by Little Rik.)
(September 15, 2017 at 5:43 pm)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:
(September 15, 2017 at 10:43 am)Little Rik Wrote: Wrong once again Pinky.
Jesus left such a legacy of spirituality that even without the Bible there would be followers.
The first followers were so full of spirituality that for the spiritual ideal were prepared to die in the Colosseum.
Beside the Apostles went around the known world to spread Jesus's spirituality.
They didn't carry any Bibles with them.
I see you haven't really looked into the historicity of the apostles, either. I find that unsurprising.
I know Pinky, I know.
You live in a small village lost in the middle west of America so I have to understand that you never heard
of a place called Rome where Peter went to propagate Jesus's spirituality or a place in south India where an other apostle named Thomas did the same or other places where other apostles went to do the same thing.
Look mate you are fully excused for not knowing about the historicity of the apostles.
If anybody blame you for your lack of knowledge you let me know.
I know how to fix these idiots.
(September 15, 2017 at 4:04 pm)Succubus Wrote:
(September 15, 2017 at 10:43 am)Little Rik Wrote: The first followers were so full of spirituality that for the spiritual ideal were prepared to die in the Colosseum.
Well so fucking what! There's never been a shortage if idiots prepared to die for a cause.
Gee, Succu you are so lucky.
You as an atheist haven't got a cause so you will not die for a cause.
I never thought about that mate.
Quote:Now, about that list of non apologist bible scholars. It's been two days now and I'm flat-out waiting.
You haven't read the link I already posted the other day, did you Succu?
Well now is time to read it so you can know about the non apologist bible scholars.
