Why do people get angry seeing a Burqa

[Foxaèr]

I suppose I see the Burqa the same as a hoodie or a mask. I like to be able to see the faces of the people around me.

[Whateverist]

If I were going to rob a bank, I'd totally wear a burqa

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

Okay, okay, I see the angle you're coming from. But I think the freedom to wear whatever should be left to the person wearing it. If women are forced to not wear a burqa it will definitely be dictating their attire,

But the thing is, those women don't have that right. Wearing the burqa is a thing forced on women in muslim countries, and by muslim society in non-muslim ones.

Sure, I can imagine Muslim countries forcing its citizens to adhere to religious values (Muslim religious values) by law(hence why they're called Muslim countries), I agree with that.

and by muslim society in non-muslim ones.

This is the one part I don't agree with. Look, I grew up among Blacks, whites, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, atheists( probably Satanists) too I didn't even like consciously think that there even are these subgroups until AFTER college, I just had friends, you know? I didn't have 'Muslim friends', my friend just happened to be Muslim(but suddenly I see people talking about how they have 'black friends', 'white friends', 'Muslim friends' etc and it's a bit weird).

Anyway my point is I've had all kinds of friends including Muslims (both men and women) ALL my life. Muslim women have no problem dressing just like everybody else, go places like everybody else, flirt like everybody else. Although I don't live in a Muslim country I do live in a country that is considered as a third world country.

So as someone that has lived his whole life in a non Muslim third world country why should I believe the societal pressure of Muslim communities in Muslim women in FIRST world Developed non Muslim countries are far more greater? How do you know this? I'm trying to understand what societal level pressure this is that is so great so as to FORCE women to wear burqa(I've never seen this level of societal pressure even in my country), I mean this societal pressure have to be so extreme that it exceeds legality. I'm not understanding this why does it HAVE to be someone behind the scenes FORCING them? Maybe they just like wearing it, maybe they're proud they're muslims and want to showcase it, I mean I can understand if you walk up to a woman wearing a burqa and asks her "why are you wearing this" and she replies in tears "these assholes are forcing me, I don't even want to, please help me", then I understand that, you know? But to proclaim that ALL Muslim women are for sure being oh so oppressed and just hoping that some big strong warrior (the charming price ofc) comes and save them is just absurd delusion in my opinion and in my experience. I'm sure if I tell 5 of my Muslim women friends that "Westerners force others to not wear burqa because they think it's best for them" they will say "oh they can fuck off" in unity, they won't for example be so touched that someone would care oh so much and like Hypothetically fall in endless love with them, you know?

[FatAndFaithless]

Don't many banks ban face/head coverings in general? I know whenever I go to my bank they've asked me to take off my beanie or baseball cap, and now I just take it off by habit when I go into a bank.

[ErGingerbreadMandude]

I don't like the look of the burqa because it is not part of the culture I grew up with.

I get that

I suppose I see the Burqa the same as a hoodie or a mask. I like to be able to see the faces of the people around me.

I get that too.

Burqa is not the greatest of dress to wear, it's a bit weird you can't see who's just beside you and a little bit uncomfortable.

But guys, I say this with the greatest of respect, you do NOT speak for all Muslim women OR men. They are not a hive mind, they're individuals, it's frankly a bit odd people fail to see that.

[The Grand Nudger]

Oh for fucks sake Pool, give it a rest, lol.

[Bob Kelso]

You're not going to nail down one answer here. As for myself;

Frankly I find the thing detestable (in both the Muslim and Christian fashions) for what it represents. Religious oppression of women.

ARGGGGGGG

Religiously justified sexism EXISTS, in EVERY religion worldwide, to greater or lesser degrees depending on sect and or individual family.

Conservative Jews a couple years back in Israel, held back a passenger jet because their asshole sexist men refused to sit next to women on the flight.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/10/us/ab...igion.html

Not even Buddhism escapes this. 

https://vimeo.com/131814486

Now again, I don't point this out as some sort of call to end all religions, but merely to point out that these things happen because humans falsely attribute their morality as coming from their label/holy writings. Our species ability to be cruel or compassionate is not in our labels, but in our evolution, and men, regardless of nationality or religion, are quite capable of being sexist fucks. 

Yes Christianity, like Islam has members whom read their holy writings to justify sexism, but that is not a patent held by one religion. Sexism exists in every religion.

Brian, dude, do you need a xanax? We were specifically talking about burqas and Pool brought up the Christian version in the OP. No one said anything about oppression being a quality of only the two mentioned. I mean what the fuck is this?

[Brian37]

ARGGGGGGG

Religiously justified sexism EXISTS, in EVERY religion worldwide, to greater or lesser degrees depending on sect and or individual family.

Conservative Jews a couple years back in Israel, held back a passenger jet because their asshole sexist men refused to sit next to women on the flight.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/10/us/ab...igion.html

Not even Buddhism escapes this. 

https://vimeo.com/131814486

Now again, I don't point this out as some sort of call to end all religions, but merely to point out that these things happen because humans falsely attribute their morality as coming from their label/holy writings. Our species ability to be cruel or compassionate is not in our labels, but in our evolution, and men, regardless of nationality or religion, are quite capable of being sexist fucks. 

Yes Christianity, like Islam has members whom read their holy writings to justify sexism, but that is not a patent held by one religion. Sexism exists in every religion.

Brian, dude, do you need a xanax? We were specifically talking about burqas and Pool brought up the Christian version in the OP. No one said anything about oppression being a quality of only the two mentioned. I mean what the fuck is this?

I don't need a chill pill.

I do get frustrated that the long term picture in our entire species history of written religion gets missed. That's all.

When you consider antiquity, this applies worldwide. Back then humans had no clue what DNA was. All anyone knew back then was men had brawn, and men were considered the head of the house, and just like the kings they lived under, they saw women/girls as things to be bartered. The idea of bonding between families was done through the bartering of females. 

That was the case even in polytheism, even in Buddhism and Hinduism. Humans simply had no concept of female equality. 

And even in polytheism, if you average out all the male gods vs female goddesses you still have a male domination going on.

Even when taking gods out of it, even in Buddhism, there still is no opportunity for a female to become the next Dali Lama, just like you wont see a female Pope.

I don't bring this up to call for an end to religion, but to point out the ignorance of antiquity. Female equality is a recent push in the west and it came about in spite of religion, not because of it.

Point to my response to you is that I agree, Christians have their sexists like Islam does, but again, there are more than 2 religions and every religion has it's pockets of sexist men to greater or lesser degrees. Gender clothing is one aspect of how sexism get's perpetuated. 

I am not blowing a gasket. If you want that, point to the people who get mad because you point out the sexist roots of the Burka. All I said is sexism exists worldwide.

[vorlon13]

If I were going to rob a bank, I'd totally wear a Kevlar burqa

TFTFY

[Aoi Magi]

If I were going to rob a bank, I'd totally wear a burqa

Try running while wearing one of those, then reconsider your choices