Question about ouija boards after strange experience

[Foxaèr]

especially for non-believers.

Makes me wonder why only religious people get possessed by demons in movies and television.

[downbeatplumb]

The occult is people playing dress up and being generally silly. A bit like all religions really.

[Bob Kelso]

Are we really being lectured on the clear and present demonic danger of board games? Rational christians don't honestly believe that they can cast a magic spell (intentionally or otherwise) with painted pieces of card stock and a cheap plastic lens...do they?

Because they aren't just board games. They are props surrounding the deliberate cultivation of altered states of consciousness with the intention of manifesting a supernatural result through evil spirits. Scoff if you want, but personally, I think messing with any kind of occult practice is dangerous - especially for non-believers.

I once played with a Ouija board, the next day my cereal spelled out "Oooooo". Sure I was eating Cheerios, but still.

[The Grand Nudger]

Are we really being lectured on the clear and present demonic danger of board games? Rational christians don't honestly believe that they can cast a magic spell (intentionally or otherwise) with painted pieces of card stock and a cheap plastic lens...do they?

Because they aren't just board games. They are props surrounding the deliberate cultivation of altered states of consciousness with the intention of manifesting a supernatural result through evil spirits. Scoff if you want, but personally, I think messing with any kind of occult practice is dangerous - especially for non-believers.

So, again, juist to make sure we're on the same page.  It;s not a stereotype of imaginary christian ignorance but your actual position? You -do- think that you can cast a magic spell with a carboard box and a piece of plastic..and that..further, theres an even greater danger to this actual ability for those who do not believe?

Why's that, jesus get a saving throw on a d6 or something?

[brewer]

Neo and C_L, you're kidding right? Card/particle board, paint and plastic put in the right combination is somehow disturbing to each of you?

What other superstitions do you give credence to?

The means by which people attempt to invoke demonic entities and evil spirits does not matter. Even if this is a purely psychological phenomena, why draw out the darkest parts of the self? Or to put it another way, supposing one is an open minded skeptic, allowing for the possibility that some shred of evidence for the supernatural could be attained by seances and such, why go that route if there is even the slightest chance that it just might actually work and allow such evil to manifest in your life.

Hahahaha. You automatically assign demonic/evil to an inanimate object based on bias. But I guess this makes sense, you assign good to some inanimate objects also.

When it's sold, or you get instructions to make one, does it say "warning-evil abides within?". Not to my knowledge. Do most have demonic sayings or symbols? Not that I've seen. So your position that it is "evil" is unfounded and based on irrational fear. 

If there crosses and images of jesus on the board would it then be OK? Cause you know, only good things can come from a cross.

[Neo-Scholastic]

So, again, juist to make sure we're on the same page.  It;s not a stereotype of imaginary christian ignorance but your actual position? You -do- think that you can cast a magic spell with a carboard box and a piece of plastic..and that..further, theres an even greater danger to this actual ability for those who do not believe?

It isn't ignorance if it turns out to be true, is it?

But otherwise, I do believe that to the extent that Christians are more than just nominal believers they do believe in malevolent spiritual forces trying to negatively affect people's lives. Such Christians also believe that occult practices allow those malevolent forces greater influence over those that engage in occult rituals however innocent or ridiculous they may seem. And yes, I do think that nonbelievers are at greater risk to the influence of malevolent spiritual forces because they are blind to them. Part of the power of demons and evil spirits is their ability to deceive which includes making people think they do not exist.

[Catholic_Lady]

The means by which people attempt to invoke demonic entities and evil spirits does not matter. Even if this is a purely psychological phenomena, why draw out the darkest parts of the self? Or to put it another way, supposing one is an open minded skeptic, allowing for the possibility that some shred of evidence for the supernatural could be attained by seances and such, why go that route if there is even the slightest chance that it just might actually work and allow such evil to manifest in your life.

Hahahaha. You automatically assign demonic/evil to an inanimate object based on bias. But I guess this makes sense, you assign good to some inanimate objects also.

When it's sold, or you get instructions to make one, does it say "warning-evil abides within?". Not to my knowledge. Do most have demonic sayings or symbols? Not that I've seen. So your position that it is "evil" is unfounded and based on irrational fear. 

If there crosses and images of jesus on the board would it then be OK? Cause you know, only good things can come from a cross.

As Neo already explained, it's not the physical object itself, it's what people are doing when they "use" it. They are attempting to communicate with the supernatural, and that can open themselves up to demonic entities.

[brewer]

So, again, juist to make sure we're on the same page.  It;s not a stereotype of imaginary christian ignorance but your actual position? You -do- think that you can cast a magic spell with a carboard box and a piece of plastic..and that..further, theres an even greater danger to this actual ability for those who do not believe?

It isn't ignorance if it turns out to be true, is it?

But otherwise, I do believe that to the extent that Christians are more than just nominal believers they do believe in malevolent spiritual forces trying to negatively affect people's lives. Such Christians also believe that occult practices allow those malevolent forces greater influence over those that engage in occult rituals however innocent or ridiculous they may seem. And yes, I do think that nonbelievers are at greater risk to the influence of malevolent spiritual forces because they are blind to them. Part of the power of demons and evil spirits is their ability to deceive which includes making people think they do not exist.

True? You are just to funny today. You've only paid attention to the bad experiences reported. Ever googled and read the good experiences? My guess is no. 

Non believers should be considered neutral, they don't believe one way or the other. However, you categorize them as susceptible to evil because they don't believe in your version of good. Can a "good" buddhist use one and not tempt demonic fates?

[Bob Kelso]

Ok, now tell me how I summon a sexy demon. I need to know for a friend.

[brewer]

Hahahaha. You automatically assign demonic/evil to an inanimate object based on bias. But I guess this makes sense, you assign good to some inanimate objects also.

When it's sold, or you get instructions to make one, does it say "warning-evil abides within?". Not to my knowledge. Do most have demonic sayings or symbols? Not that I've seen. So your position that it is "evil" is unfounded and based on irrational fear. 

If there crosses and images of jesus on the board would it then be OK? Cause you know, only good things can come from a cross.

As Neo already explained, it's not the physical object itself, it's what people are doing when they "use" it. They are attempting to communicate with the supernatural, and that can open themselves up to demonic entities.

My sides are starting to hurt. Don't you claim to communicate with the supernatural all of the time to get answers? 

Wait, I got it, your way "good", their way "bad".