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RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 16, 2017 at 12:51 pm
(November 16, 2017 at 11:25 am)alpha male Wrote: (November 16, 2017 at 11:21 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: "Jebus" instead of "Jesus", is about as disrespectful as, "Santie" instead of "Santa", lol.
Then why bother with Jebus? Can't have it both ways. Personally I don't bother with abaddon due to the use of jebus. Since there's few theists here relative to atheists, we can be choosy in whom we talk to.
Doesn't matter to me either way. That's my point.
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RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 16, 2017 at 1:01 pm
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(November 16, 2017 at 12:51 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Doesn't matter to me either way. That's my point.
Maybe not to you, but if it didn't matter to him, he wouldn't go out of his way to purposely misspell it.
(November 16, 2017 at 12:47 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Or Hovind's referring to Darwin as 'Charlie'. Hell, I've seen certain theists on here being just as disrespectful, to Shakespeare, 'Brits', you name it. But say 'Jebus' and they lose all their shit.
Well, not all of it, but you get my meaning.
It's not losing your shit to decide to ignore an atheist when there's a dozen more atheists willing to carry on the same conversation.
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RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 16, 2017 at 1:10 pm
(This post was last modified: November 16, 2017 at 1:12 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I think that getting pissy about mean words being spoken at you, or "disrespectful" nicknames for your pet fairy...in light of the fact that you offer a promise of eternal fire for victimless crimes in return...is a stunning failure to recognize true depravity where and within whom it resides.
Those meanies are getting in the way of you discussing the Good News™ in a manner that you find comfortable. Truth be told...the good news is what ought to make you uncomfortable.
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RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 16, 2017 at 1:38 pm
(November 16, 2017 at 1:10 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I think that getting pissy about mean words being spoken at you, or "disrespectful" nicknames for your pet fairy...in light of the fact that you offer a promise of eternal fire for victimless crimes in return...is a stunning failure to recognize true depravity where and within whom it resides.
Those meanies are getting in the way of you discussing the Good News™ in a manner that you find comfortable. Truth be told...the good news is what ought to make you uncomfortable.
As I clearly said, it has nothing to do with disrespecting Jesus or God (Gawd) or anything similar. Using such terms automatically moves the conversation from reasonable/civil to mocking. Why in the world would I participate in a discussion with someone who's motivation in the writing a sentence includes mocking?
On the other hand, it does makes it easy to decide who is worth seeing on my feed.
As Alpha said, there is always another atheist right behind him/her willing to discuss an issue.
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RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 16, 2017 at 1:45 pm
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(November 16, 2017 at 1:38 pm)SteveII Wrote: As I clearly said, it has nothing to do with disrespecting Jesus or God (Gawd) or anything similar. Using such terms automatically moves the conversation from reasonable/civil to mocking. You think that there's some conflict between the two with reference to your beliefs. There isn't. The only reasonable way to respond to those beliefs is with derision and contempt. They are not civil beliefs in the first place.
Quote:Why in the world would I participate in a discussion with someone who's motivation in the writing a sentence includes mocking?
That's a good question..right alongside it, however, is why you would believe in something that lends itself so well to mockery?
Quote:On the other hand, it does makes it easy to decide who is worth seeing on my feed.
As Alpha said, there is always another atheist right behind him/her willing to discuss an issue.
They think you're being silly too...they might even be patronizing you. Have fun, though. I don't ever notice a difference between taking you seriously or mocking you. The results are interchangeable. Obviously anecdotal, but there it is.
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RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 16, 2017 at 1:49 pm
(November 16, 2017 at 12:02 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote: (November 16, 2017 at 11:57 am)KevinM1 Wrote: Divine Command Theory... L O fucking L
That's the fancy philosophical jargon given by the religious Eichmanns of the world, who aren't bright enough to recognize propaganda when it's staring them in the face.
This is one of the biggest differences between theists and atheists, IMO.
They start with the notion that not only does their god do good, but that their god is Good, capital 'G'. That it's the embodiment of some sort of cosmic moral force, and thus whatever it does is automatically good, because it cannot go against its inherent nature. So, when it does heinous shit, it has to be good, or for some kind of greater good, and is thus moral, if still really kind of shitty.
We, on the other hand, are skeptics. When the bible starts claiming that god is good, we say "prove it." And the purported acts contained within the book show the claim to be a lie.
I find our approach to be far more rational.
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RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 16, 2017 at 1:59 pm
(November 16, 2017 at 1:38 pm)SteveII Wrote: (November 16, 2017 at 1:10 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I think that getting pissy about mean words being spoken at you, or "disrespectful" nicknames for your pet fairy...in light of the fact that you offer a promise of eternal fire for victimless crimes in return...is a stunning failure to recognize true depravity where and within whom it resides.
Those meanies are getting in the way of you discussing the Good News™ in a manner that you find comfortable. Truth be told...the good news is what ought to make you uncomfortable.
As I clearly said, it has nothing to do with disrespecting Jesus or God (Gawd) or anything similar. Using such terms automatically moves the conversation from reasonable/civil to mocking. Why in the world would I participate in a discussion with someone who's motivation in the writing a sentence includes mocking?
On the other hand, it does makes it easy to decide who is worth seeing on my feed.
As Alpha said, there is always another atheist right behind him/her willing to discuss an issue.
Hey, god never said it would be easy, did he? Remember, if you can save one soul...
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RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 16, 2017 at 2:23 pm
(November 16, 2017 at 1:01 pm)alpha male Wrote: (November 16, 2017 at 12:47 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Or Hovind's referring to Darwin as 'Charlie'. Hell, I've seen certain theists on here being just as disrespectful, to Shakespeare, 'Brits', you name it. But say 'Jebus' and they lose all their shit.
Well, not all of it, but you get my meaning.
It's not losing your shit to decide to ignore an atheist when there's a dozen more atheists willing to carry on the same conversation.
It is when literally no-one else cares.
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RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 16, 2017 at 2:45 pm
(November 16, 2017 at 12:42 pm)alpha male Wrote: (November 16, 2017 at 12:19 pm)Astreja Wrote: I consider acceptance of the Jesus sacrifice to be the real "mark of the beast" because of how it dehumanizes. Not only must a believer accept the nonsensical slander of Original Sin;
No, I'm condemned on my own sin.
Quote:he must also abrogate morality, common sense and decency by consenting to have someone else take the punishment he supposedly deserves.
Characterize it however you want, but yeah, if I can get a free pass, I'm taking it.
The sin of letting Jesus take the fall for you is IMO much worse than anything you could accomplish as a mere mortal. I pay my own debts.
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RE: Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?
November 16, 2017 at 2:57 pm
(November 16, 2017 at 2:45 pm)Astreja Wrote: The sin of letting Jesus take the fall for you is IMO much worse than anything you could accomplish as a mere mortal.
Your Opinion is noted, but it doesn't count for anything.
Quote:I pay my own debts.
If some rich person offered to pay off my mortgage for free, I'd take it. I guess I have less pride than you.
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