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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 10, 2017 at 5:22 pm
(November 10, 2017 at 3:08 pm)Cyberman Wrote: I'm so glad you agree.
FTR, I don't think that anyone is in hell (or heaven), since I am of the opinion that such things are not possible in a Universe like ours. OTOH, were such post-mortem justice possible, Hitler and his upper echelon would certainly be deserving of it; alongside Ken Ham and similar mind-rapists, Anjezë Bojaxhiu, Helen Ukpabio, and of course Yahweh itself.
Does anyone really deserve hell? Eternal suffering sounds a bit extreme. I agree that it doesn't exist though.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 10, 2017 at 5:31 pm
(November 10, 2017 at 5:22 pm)SaStrike Wrote: Does anyone really deserve hell? Eternal suffering sounds a bit extreme. I agree that it doesn't exist though.
Same, but wouldn't one be just get used to suffering after a while? Would you like die again? I call these doctrines of religion "torture by antecipation". People are naturally anxious, that works.
Eternal life is just a child dream. People die. It ends to them, most for the friends left, grief.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 10, 2017 at 5:37 pm
(November 10, 2017 at 5:31 pm)LastPoet Wrote: (November 10, 2017 at 5:22 pm)SaStrike Wrote: Does anyone really deserve hell? Eternal suffering sounds a bit extreme. I agree that it doesn't exist though.
Same, but wouldn't one be just get used to suffering after a while? Would you like die again? I call these doctrines of religion "torture by antecipation". People are naturally anxious, that works.
Eternal life is just a child dream. People die. It ends to them, most for the friends left, grief.
Yeah to me eternity seems really hard to picture. I cant imagine existing for eternity. I dont know how theists (the branches that have eternal souls after death) do it. Maybe they just havent thought out the concept of infinity properly.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 10, 2017 at 5:57 pm
(This post was last modified: November 10, 2017 at 6:04 pm by Cyberman.)
(November 10, 2017 at 5:22 pm)SaStrike Wrote: (November 10, 2017 at 3:08 pm)Cyberman Wrote: I'm so glad you agree.
FTR, I don't think that anyone is in hell (or heaven), since I am of the opinion that such things are not possible in a Universe like ours. OTOH, were such post-mortem justice possible, Hitler and his upper echelon would certainly be deserving of it; alongside Ken Ham and similar mind-rapists, Anjezë Bojaxhiu, Helen Ukpabio, and of course Yahweh itself.
Does anyone really deserve hell? Eternal suffering sounds a bit extreme. I agree that it doesn't exist though.
That's why I tried to be careful with my choice of phrasing; perhaps I could have been clearer. I agree completely that eternal suffering is as evil as eternal reward, I've said as much previously. Had I indicated that Hitler et al deserve(d) anything less, certain among us prone to grabbing the wrond end of the stick and beating around the bush with it would likely have misconstrued my meaning.
Even eternity's too lenient for Yahweh The Bastard, though.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 10, 2017 at 5:59 pm
(November 10, 2017 at 5:37 pm)SaStrike Wrote: (November 10, 2017 at 5:31 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Same, but wouldn't one be just get used to suffering after a while? Would you like die again? I call these doctrines of religion "torture by antecipation". People are naturally anxious, that works.
Eternal life is just a child dream. People die. It ends to them, most for the friends left, grief.
Yeah to me eternity seems really hard to picture. I cant imagine existing for eternity. I dont know how theists (the branches that have eternal souls after death) do it. Maybe they just havent thought out the concept of infinity properly.
It's why I've said that any kind of eternal afterlife which I cannot choose to end would be hell, regardless of destination.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 10, 2017 at 6:11 pm
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(November 10, 2017 at 10:35 am)bennyboy Wrote: (November 9, 2017 at 11:04 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yes. I thought I was clear in that.
How would you differentiate between a crazy person and a person who chooses to be really bad? Isn't wanting to be bad crazy in and of itself?
I'm not a psychiatrist and I'm certainly not God, so it's probably not up for me to judge. But if I had to point to some sort of standard, I'd say our justice system probably does a decent job of determining who is guilty of murder (and to what degree) and who is innocent for reason of insanity.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 11, 2017 at 1:42 am
(November 7, 2017 at 8:52 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Whatever suffering possible in this world, if we are patient and steadfast in midst of it, and in midst peril, out of love of the Great Ultimate Beauty that sees us exactly as we are, the love that ensues to us from that loving being, is worth it, as well as the honourable position we will have in its absolute eye which is the vision of the absolute truth.
So your hellbeast imaginary friend invented suffering as a way to give us a way to earn brownie points for the afterlife? And you think this answers the problem of evil how exactly?
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 11, 2017 at 3:38 am
(November 10, 2017 at 10:35 am)bennyboy Wrote: (November 9, 2017 at 11:04 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Yes. I thought I was clear in that.
How would you differentiate between a crazy person and a person who chooses to be really bad? Isn't wanting to be bad crazy in and of itself?
No no; judging people is left to the stereotype and to the clergy you hold dear and holy; of course that if you allow yourself to fall victim for beliefs that emphasize on that concept.
A mad killer can be turned into a hero with the move of a pen, an evil killer would turn into a "poor insane soul", a hero would turn into a villain, depending on the interest of the clergy at that time.
Catholicism and and Shiite Islam are perfect examples for shaping a society controlled by a few number of people (12 Imams or a Church...etc), through these institutions you can control and rule and define.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 11, 2017 at 5:23 am
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(November 10, 2017 at 6:11 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (November 10, 2017 at 10:35 am)bennyboy Wrote: How would you differentiate between a crazy person and a person who chooses to be really bad? Isn't wanting to be bad crazy in and of itself?
I'm not a psychiatrist and I'm certainly not God, so it's probably not up for me to judge. But if I had to point to some sort of standard, I'd say our justice system probably does a decent job of determining who is guilty of murder (and to what degree) and who is innocent for reason of insanity.
You sure about that?
Any guesses as to what % of inmates on Death's Row have brain damage, schizophrenia, etc.? Hint: It's a number between 1-100, and it's greater than 99)
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 11, 2017 at 6:37 am
Our justice system is pretty terrible. Something like 1/10th of people convicted of murder turn out to be innocent. If we can't even convict correctly, how can we assume we correctly diagnosed mental illness? I mean, psychiatry is still a developing science, and it's constantly being updated.
And yes, it is becoming more common to realize by mental health professionals that anyone who commits such acts is by definition mentally damaged or mentally ill. Even if only temporarily.
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