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RE: Philosophy start
November 11, 2017 at 5:21 pm
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(November 11, 2017 at 4:55 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: (November 11, 2017 at 4:23 pm)bennyboy Wrote: That's not arrogance. It's an acknowledgement of how vast the subject matter is. Why don't you actually GO to the wikipedia entry on philosophy and see what's there? Instead of getting mad at me for suggesting something so beneath you, realize it includes a massive bibliography as well as some links to free university sites with really good information.
As for the three years-- come back in 2020, and tell me again that was an arrogant thing to say. . .
n00b! 
To say to a person that you don't know that it will need an amount of time to do something is arrogance , no matter who the person is and because I didn't asked how much it will take me so telling me that it will take me X time it is you not believing that someone can do it faster than you , arrogance.
I'm a pretty smart guy, and I've been studying philosophy on and off for 30 years. Hell, I have debates on these forums that have gone on longer than three years. Plato, Socrates, those guys spent entire lives on SINGLE philosophical worldviews. But you are going to come in and master all of the philosophical knowledge available through wikipedia, including referenced materials and sites, in three years, and me assuming you won't is arrogant, huh?
Maybe before you start griefing, you should actually GO to the site (I bet you still haven't), see what's there, and then say, "Oh. . . yeah. . . that IS a lot of valuable information. That WILL take me a very long time to go through! Gee, thanks bennyboy!"
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RE: Philosophy start
November 11, 2017 at 5:31 pm
They spent their entire lives so that you wouldn't need to.
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RE: Philosophy start
November 11, 2017 at 5:35 pm
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LOL, unfortunatly, too many of them have done so..and more are at it now. While thy certainly condensed the time it might take to grasp whatever they were opining on, the sheer volume of their condensed product is still too much. There just aren't enough hours in the day, or days in a life.
You could get the broad strokes of alot...ofc. Honestly, if I were just starting..I wouldn;t go straight to the opinions of learned men. I;d start at the bottom..and learn the mechanics of propositional logic and conditional statements. Besides, those are the tools all of those learned men used to reach their conclusions.....and at the bottom of it all it's fairly simple. Would you like to hear an example of something positively basic...that might challenge decidedly more elaborate ideas that you likely hold?
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RE: Philosophy start
November 11, 2017 at 5:36 pm
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(November 11, 2017 at 5:31 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: They spent their entire lives so that you wouldn't need to.
Wow, with pithy wisdom like that, you're at least 50% of the way to total philosophical mastery. Good work! Now you just need a hemp satchel, a student loan that will never be paid back, and the ability to make people uncomfortable by staring deeply into their eyes, and you can skip all that other stuff I mentioned.
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RE: Philosophy start
November 11, 2017 at 5:41 pm
I should've been more clear. They spent their lives so that you wouldn't have to start from the same point they did. It is something called evolution bennyboy.
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RE: Philosophy start
November 11, 2017 at 5:53 pm
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It;s still best to start from the position they did. Comprehension. We don't start learning english by reading Joyce.
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RE: Philosophy start
November 11, 2017 at 8:33 pm
(November 11, 2017 at 5:41 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: I should've been more clear. They spent their lives so that you wouldn't have to start from the same point they did. It is something called evolution bennyboy.
You seem to know a lot about philosophy for someone who has asked for help on starting an inquiry into philosophy. And anyway, what's this red herring for? I told you that philosophy is a lifelong pursuit, and you seem to disagree. So let's drop the thing I said that you didn't like-- I formally retract it here for everyone to see. I apologize without reservation for saying that it would take you at least three years to digest the information at wikipedia.
Now, let's actually DO some philosophy, and we can start with a simple question:
How will you know when you've mastered the field of philosophy?
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RE: Philosophy start
November 12, 2017 at 2:50 am
(November 11, 2017 at 8:33 pm)bennyboy Wrote: (November 11, 2017 at 5:41 pm)notimportant1234 Wrote: I should've been more clear. They spent their lives so that you wouldn't have to start from the same point they did. It is something called evolution bennyboy.
You seem to know a lot about philosophy for someone who has asked for help on starting an inquiry into philosophy. And anyway, what's this red herring for? I told you that philosophy is a lifelong pursuit, and you seem to disagree. So let's drop the thing I said that you didn't like-- I formally retract it here for everyone to see. I apologize without reservation for saying that it would take you at least three years to digest the information at wikipedia.
Now, let's actually DO some philosophy, and we can start with a simple question:
How will you know when you've mastered the field of philosophy?
It is not about mastering it is about coming up with new ideas from the old ones.
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RE: Philosophy start
November 12, 2017 at 4:35 am
I've condensed all the books on philosophy into one word...
"WHATEVER"
No God, No fear.
Know God, Know fear.
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RE: Philosophy start
November 12, 2017 at 6:27 am
(November 12, 2017 at 2:50 am)notimportant1234 Wrote: It is not about mastering it is about coming up with new ideas from the old ones.
There's nothing new under the sun. Good luck with that 
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