Mass shooting in a school? Need God. Mass shooting in a church?....

[Chad32]

You haven't heard the stories I've heard, then. Like mentally ill people dying in a jail cell, because the cops keeping them there don't care.

[Catholic_Lady]

You haven't heard the stories I've heard, then. Like mentally ill people dying in a jail cell, because the cops keeping them there don't care.

Wow. Do you have a link to any of these stories?

[Chad32]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/christoph...91956.html

[Catholic_Lady]

I see.

Seems like this is a problem with our prison system (particularly isolation) and dealing with criminals in prison who have mental illness. i dont see how this is testimony that us as a society shun mentally ill people or look down on them for getting help. I don't think any of these shooters were in prison prior to their attack to where better treatment of them while there would have prevented their actions.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The GOP put the mentally ill out on the streets because it cost them tax dollars. Source of the problem.

[Minimalist]

i dont see how this is testimony that us as a society shun mentally ill people or look down on them for getting help.

Here, C/L.  Just for you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...re-system/

Seven facts about America’s mental health-care system

#'s 2 and 5 are of great significance.

the Community Mental Health Centers Act of 1963. That law pushed for more treatment in community settings rather than in state-run, psychiatric institutions. 

By treating the rest in the least-restrictive settings possible, the thinking went, we would protect the civil liberties of the mentally ill and hasten their recoveries. Surely community life was better for mental health than a cold, unfeeling institution.

But in the decades since, the sickest patients have begun turning up in jails and homeless shelters with a frequency that mirrors that of the late 1800s. “We’re protecting civil liberties at the expense of health and safety,” says Doris A. Fuller, the executive director of the Treatment Advocacy Center, a nonprofit group that lobbies for broader involuntary commitment standards. “Deinstitutionalization has gone way too far.”

[vorlon13]

i dont see how this is testimony that us as a society shun mentally ill people or look down on them for getting help.

Here, C/L.  Just for you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...re-system/

Seven facts about America’s mental health-care system

#'s 2 and 5 are of great significance.

the Community Mental Health Centers Act of 1963. That law pushed for more treatment in community settings rather than in state-run, psychiatric institutions. 

If they could avoid 'warehousing' the mentally ill, I'd posit the vast surplus of empty 'big box' retail space would make for spacious care centers with a bit of refurbishing. Additionally, there have been tremendous advances in pharmacology since 1963, getting folks under a roof, comfortable surroundings, establishing some routine in medications and tweaking the medications along with behavioral techniques, gee, it can't be that hard to help people and respect their rights at the same time.

And it's cheaper than prison.

[Minimalist]

And it's cheaper than prison.

Exactly what the prison-inudstrial complex does not want to hear, V.

[Martian Mermaid]

Do people actually think that putting God back in the classroom will stop the shootings?

Yes.  Really stupid people.

That's so stupid. No amount of prayers will stop the crazy people from being crazy, and no amount of prayers will keep them away from the building full of kids.

[RoadRunner79]

I'm not sure where you got the stuff you mentioned in the second paragraph,

I really can't see where this rote, sheepish, "prayer" that you think is so important does any good at all.  It seems very muslim to me.

Ok.... I'm not advancing for any such thing and it wasn't the point of my post at all.