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February 28, 2018 at 5:48 pm (This post was last modified: February 28, 2018 at 6:48 pm by Banned.)
(February 28, 2018 at 9:28 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(February 28, 2018 at 8:47 am)Banned Wrote: All religions may be tested by the scriptures.
They can't because Bible is very contradictory and therefore flawed. That is why there are so many denominations. Take the stance on divorce: can we look at the Bible and see what it clearly states? The answer is no.
In some parts Jesus clearly forbids the divorce: Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Matthew 19:6
Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery. -- Mark 10:11
Whosoever putteth away his wife and marrieth another, committeth adultery. -- Luke 16:18
And that's why Catholics don't allow the divorce in any circumstances.
But then in other parts of NT Jesus actually approves of divorce:
Whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery. Matthew 5:32
Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery. Matthew 19:9
That's why orthodox Christianity and some others let people divorce. So you can not test which is right denomination by using the Bible. It doesn't mean if your denomination made a choice that it is the "right" choice.
There are two obvious extremes used by Satan. Where differences and divisions among men are supposed to prove that the Bible has no unified truth, and the other that all beliefs and conundrums are holy and will lead to eternal life.
Then there is the attitudes of people- who will be either exclusive or inclusive when it's not appropriate.
On the issue of divorce, Jesus made it very plain that separation was never intended in the first place, but that divorce laws were added, mainly because the men were stupid and selfish, and God did not expect a woman to put up with that.
The only reason allowed for divorce was unfaithfulness. Which wasn't enough, because people may not have had an affair, but they'd be cruel to their partner.
And yet God did not condemn the person who left their partner after being abused.
God wants the hurt partner to find love and be comforted. At the same time he would not want people to think that he is nonchalant about divorce, but it is a serious offense to hurt your partner.
Another example is polygamy, God does not approve of it, but because he did not call Abraham on it, (there were other major spiritual issues that needed to be dealt with first), people excuse polygamy. Besides it is very clear that Abraham was pretty fed up with it at the end.
(February 28, 2018 at 9:28 am)Cyberman Wrote: Yeah, that's exactly what I did. I took time out of my life to go back through every thread in which you and I interacted and edited them, including any by other members who may have quoted them, and circumvented the automatic edit log for each of those posts, purely to make you into a liar.
Aren't you a moderator? It can be done.
When you exaggerate and make blatantly false remarks, and call people *****, of course I'll be wondering what you are capable of.
And this comment will probably trigger for you to play the innocent and misunderstood role, or say that I have a victim mentality and a persecution complex.
Surprise me.
(February 28, 2018 at 10:03 am)Astreja Wrote:
(February 28, 2018 at 2:09 am)Banned Wrote: So if you don't know the Bible, why did you criticise it all this time?
I do indeed know the Bible, you deluded little dweeb. I read it 53 years ago and continue to read bits and pieces of it now and then.
It's crap.
Quote:So how is death not part of the atheist world? Isn't your world going to end under the sun? Isn't every life form just a pointless spat?
As if believers bought about the threat of death.
According to the SDA delusion, your make-believe god intends to "awaken" people from death for the sole purpose of judging them and destroying most of them.
As you are the one propagating the myth, I place the responsibility for that threat on your head.
You don't get to weasel out of the threat by questioning where *I* find meaning in life. It's none of your fucking business.
It sounds like you have experienced a lot of anguish throughout your entire life...
I'm sorry that I have only antagonized you.
(February 28, 2018 at 10:21 am)drfuzzy Wrote: Ok, I wasn't getting the quote function to work well, and this response was getting really long and messy. So I just "cherry-picked" statements from Banned and did a cut 'n' paste. I hope nobody minds.....
And the idea that there is an afterlife and if we don't believe in YOUR GOD we're going to be tortured forever? [/color][/size]
He's SORRY folks. Really sorry.
There are a few things which you say are written in the Bible, which aren't even written in there.
As for me insulting people, take the best sample and quote me, to back up what you are saying.
I won't argue about science, God and nature, because if you don't think that science has any errors mixed in with the truth, then there is too much to sort through on this thread, which has gone well off subject.
February 28, 2018 at 7:00 pm (This post was last modified: February 28, 2018 at 7:13 pm by Banned.)
(February 28, 2018 at 10:56 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:
(February 27, 2018 at 4:07 pm)Banned Wrote: If you read the texts properly you would see that the method of being saved is predestinated, not whether someone will be saved or not.
"Predestined". Clearly you can't even spell your own faith.
In any event, if, as you claim, I am predestined to be an atheist then there is not a thing you can do about it. Your god has made it so. Are you going to disagree with your god? What will he/she/it/housecat have to say about your rejection of his/her/it's/housecat's will?
Thanks for the correction. Predestinated isn't a word.
I didn't claim that anyone is presdestined, but the means of salvation is fixed, as far as God is concerned.
I remember having some issues about this, so I read the texts again, and found what I said.
The idea that people are arbitarily destined to be either saved or lost is very creepy and unfair.
(February 28, 2018 at 3:19 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:
Quote:Like I said, you make a noose.
Like i said your god is an extortionist. Who is responsible for me being in the well in first place . And demands servitude. No good god would ask this .
You are quite right, a true God would never let you go.
If you believe in God, you will live forever. Death will be like a sleep, but the grave cannot hold you.
If you have been dead for a couple of hundred years, when you awake in the resurrection which takes place at the return of Christ, for you the gap between falling unconscious and waking up is no time at all.
There is absolutely no pain or consciousness in death, it is like sleep, there is nothing, until you wake up, and you will be young and in perfect health.
Why are we allowed to die here, why can't we take a short cut to heaven?
I don't know, but there must be a good reason, which we will find out.
February 28, 2018 at 7:20 pm (This post was last modified: February 28, 2018 at 7:21 pm by drfuzzy.)
(February 28, 2018 at 5:48 pm)Banned Wrote:
(February 28, 2018 at 9:28 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:
They can't because Bible is very contradictory and therefore flawed. That is why there are so many denominations. Take the stance on divorce: can we look at the Bible and see what it clearly states? The answer is no.
In some parts Jesus clearly forbids the divorce: Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Matthew 19:6
Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery. -- Mark 10:11
Whosoever putteth away his wife and marrieth another, committeth adultery. -- Luke 16:18
And that's why Catholics don't allow the divorce in any circumstances.
But then in other parts of NT Jesus actually approves of divorce:
Whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery. Matthew 5:32
Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery. Matthew 19:9
That's why orthodox Christianity and some others let people divorce. So you can not test which is right denomination by using the Bible. It doesn't mean if your denomination made a choice that it is the "right" choice.
There are two obvious extremes used by Satan. Where differences and divisions among men are supposed to prove that the Bible has no unified truth, and the other that all beliefs and conundrums are holy and will lead to eternal life.
Then there is the attitudes of people- who will be either exclusive or inclusive when it's not appropriate.
On the issue of divorce, Jesus made it very plain that separation was never intended in the first place, but that divorce laws were added, mainly because the men were stupid and selfish, and God did not expect a woman to put up with that.
The only reason allowed for divorce was unfaithfulness. Which wasn't enough, because people may not have had an affair, but they'd be cruel to their partner.
And yet God did not condemn the person who left their partner after being abused.
God wants the hurt partner to find love and be comforted. At the same time he would not want people to think that he is nonchalant about divorce, but it is a serious offense to hurt your partner.
Another example is polygamy, God does not approve of it, but because he did not call Abraham on it, (there were other major spiritual issues that needed to be dealt with first), people excuse polygamy. Besides it is very clear that Abraham was pretty fed up with it at the end.
(February 28, 2018 at 9:28 am)Cyberman Wrote:
Yeah, that's exactly what I did. I took time out of my life to go back through every thread in which you and I interacted and edited them, including any by other members who may have quoted them, and circumvented the automatic edit log for each of those posts, purely to make you into a liar.
Aren't you a moderator? It can be done.
When you exaggerate and make blatantly false remarks, and call people *****, of course I'll be wondering what you are capable of.
And this comment will probably trigger for you to play the innocent and misunderstood role, or say that I have a victim mentality and a persecution complex.
Surprise me.
(February 28, 2018 at 10:03 am)Astreja Wrote:
I do indeed know the Bible, you deluded little dweeb. I read it 53 years ago and continue to read bits and pieces of it now and then.
It's crap.
According to the SDA delusion, your make-believe god intends to "awaken" people from death for the sole purpose of judging them and destroying most of them.
As you are the one propagating the myth, I place the responsibility for that threat on your head.
You don't get to weasel out of the threat by questioning where *I* find meaning in life. It's none of your fucking business.
It sounds like you have experienced a lot of anguish throughout your entire life...
I'm sorry that I have only antagonized you.
(February 28, 2018 at 10:21 am)drfuzzy Wrote: Ok, I wasn't getting the quote function to work well, and this response was getting really long and messy. So I just "cherry-picked" statements from Banned and did a cut 'n' paste. I hope nobody minds.....
And the idea that there is an afterlife and if we don't believe in YOUR GOD we're going to be tortured forever? [/color][/size]
He's SORRY folks. Really sorry.
There are a few things which you say are written in the Bible, which aren't even written in there.
As for me insulting people, take the best sample and quote me, to back up what you are saying.
I won't argue about science, God and nature, because if you don't think that science has any errors mixed in with the truth, then there is too much to sort through on this thread, which has gone well off subject.
I haven't quoted your sick wholly babble book in a reply to you here, and I can't recall doing it in another thread, but that is moot, because every word of it is bullshit.
When you repeatedly spin your assertions about what your imaginary friend says, wants, or will do, to a group of atheists, you are being disrespectful and insulting. The disrespect is clearly intentional, because many people have already stated repeatedly that they don't believe that your invisible sky-daddy exists. When you imply, by any means, that someone's inability to share in your fantasies means that they are evil, deluded, or somehow less than you and worthy of punishment, you cross the line far past malicious insult.
Of COURSE science has errors. Scientists LOVE finding errors, that means that they get to FIX them. Religion will kill to defend its lies.
Troll. I don't know why I'm wasting my time, you have already clearly demonstrated that you hold every atheist here in contempt and have absolutely no desire to give consideration to anyone's opinion but your own. We need a lot more people like you, though. People who are the best arguments for atheism on the planet. Someone who was considering converting to your religion only needs to read your posts to realize that if all Christians are like you, they would be better off being Satanists.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
(February 28, 2018 at 7:20 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: ... read your posts to realize that if all Christians are like you, they would be better off being Satanists.
Like I said before, if you feel that my point of view has insulted you, just quote what I wrote.
(February 28, 2018 at 5:48 pm)Banned Wrote: It sounds like you have experienced a lot of anguish throughout your entire life...
I'm sorry that I have only antagonized you.
Ah, now you're pretending to read my mind and write creative fiction about my life, despite the fact that we have almost certainly never met IRL.
That is an insult. You're just a deluded little prick who thinks that he's the one and only wise man in a room full of fools.
"Sorry" is not going to cut it, either. I do not accept weak-sauce not-pologies. How do you propose to make restitution?
Can you think of anything that a person can’t believe in based on faith?
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
(February 28, 2018 at 9:28 am)Cyberman Wrote: Yeah, that's exactly what I did. I took time out of my life to go back through every thread in which you and I interacted and edited them, including any by other members who may have quoted them, and circumvented the automatic edit log for each of those posts, purely to make you into a liar.
Aren't you a moderator? It can be done.
When you exaggerate and make blatantly false remarks, and call people *****, of course I'll be wondering what you are capable of.
And this comment will probably trigger for you to play the innocent and misunderstood role, or say that I have a victim mentality and a persecution complex.
Surprise me.
Actually I'm an Administrator, which is like a super-moderator. Also I'm not obliged to prove what I haven't done; if you think I'm guilty of doing what you accuse, you pony up the evidence.
You could try reporting me for misconduct.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(February 28, 2018 at 5:48 pm)Banned Wrote: There are two obvious extremes used by Satan. Where differences and divisions among men are supposed to prove that the Bible has no unified truth,
The proof that Bible has no truth is that it has never been historically proved (just like "Lord Of The Rings" saga) and "divisions among men" come from contradictions inside it.
(February 28, 2018 at 5:48 pm)Banned Wrote: On the issue of divorce, Jesus made it very plain that separation was never intended in the first place
He obviously didn't because honest people that analyze the Bible and try to live by it can't agree, just like they can't agree on myriad of other things.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
(February 28, 2018 at 7:20 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: ... read your posts to realize that if all Christians are like you, they would be better off being Satanists.
Like I said before, if you feel that my point of view has insulted you, just quote what I wrote.
My last post was perfectly clear. You have kept preaching about your imaginary friend and your ridiculous book of fairy tales after being clearly told by multiple people that we do not believe in the existence of any deities. You have stated in many different ways (in this one thread) that unbelievers deserve judgement and punishment from your imaginary sky-daddy that you can't prove exists. If I spent an hour making a list of your offenses, you would only try to argue your point further, citing your imaginary friend and your evil book as justification for behaving like a complete ignorant brainwashed asshole. You apparently are incapable of seeing your own disrespect and rudeness, because you seem to think that your fantasies are GOOD and must be shared with the infidel unbelievers. What you are doing when you disregard our beliefs and keep PREACHING is saying, loud and clear, that you are smarter than we are, that you are better than we are, that your unsupported delusions are the only truth on the planet, that we are too ignorant and too illiterate to choose our own beliefs, and that we need your help. This is the ultimate disrespect.Poor little lying con-man witch-doctor. You are not worth my time.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
March 1, 2018 at 1:38 am (This post was last modified: March 1, 2018 at 2:03 am by Banned.)
(February 28, 2018 at 8:20 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: @Banned
Can you think of anything that a person can’t believe in based on faith?
The term faith as it is generally used is not quite the same as what the Bible means.
People can imagine what they want, but Biblical faith is to know and trust the word of God. Jesus had faith in the scriptures. The reformation which gave the world relief from Papal oppression had faith in the scriptures.
It is a faith that doesn't rely on your imagination or will, but on the inspiration and knowledge of the scriptures.
(February 28, 2018 at 10:07 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: The proof that Bible has no truth is that it has never been historically proved (just like "Lord Of The Rings" saga) and "divisions among men" come from contradictions inside it.
He obviously didn't because honest people that analyze the Bible and try to live by it can't agree, just like they can't agree on myriad of other things.
If people have reading and comprehension fails of the Bible, it is really their problem. A person may be honest, but that doesn't mean they can't get things wrong.
The Bible isn't an ordinary book.
(February 28, 2018 at 10:47 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:
(February 28, 2018 at 7:29 pm)Banned Wrote: Like I said before, if you feel that my point of view has insulted you, just quote what I wrote.
My last post was perfectly clear. You have kept preaching about your imaginary friend and your ridiculous book of fairy tales after being clearly told by multiple people that we do not believe in the existence of any deities. You have stated in many different ways (in this one thread) that unbelievers deserve judgement and punishment from your imaginary sky-daddy that you can't prove exists. If I spent an hour making a list of your offenses, you would only try to argue your point further, citing your imaginary friend and your evil book as justification for behaving like a complete ignorant brainwashed asshole. You apparently are incapable of seeing your own disrespect and rudeness, because you seem to think that your fantasies are GOOD and must be shared with the infidel unbelievers. What you are doing when you disregard our beliefs and keep PREACHING is saying, loud and clear, that you are smarter than we are, that you are better than we are, that your unsupported delusions are the only truth on the planet, that we are too ignorant and too illiterate to choose our own beliefs, and that we need your help. This is the ultimate disrespect.Poor little lying con-man witch-doctor. You are not worth my time.
Just one small quote of any offensive thing I wrote will do.
(February 28, 2018 at 9:29 pm)Cyberman Wrote:
(February 28, 2018 at 5:48 pm)Banned Wrote: Aren't you a moderator? It can be done.
When you exaggerate and make blatantly false remarks, and call people *****, of course I'll be wondering what you are capable of.
And this comment will probably trigger for you to play the innocent and misunderstood role, or say that I have a victim mentality and a persecution complex.
Surprise me.
Actually I'm an Administrator, which is like a super-moderator. Also I'm not obliged to prove what I haven't done; if you think I'm guilty of doing what you accuse, you pony up the evidence.
You could try reporting me for misconduct.
It's your world.
(February 28, 2018 at 8:04 pm)Astreja Wrote:
(February 28, 2018 at 5:48 pm)Banned Wrote: It sounds like you have experienced a lot of anguish throughout your entire life...
I'm sorry that I have only antagonized you.
Ah, now you're pretending to read my mind and write creative fiction about my life, despite the fact that we have almost certainly never met IRL.
That is an insult. You're just a deluded little prick who thinks that he's the one and only wise man in a room full of fools.
"Sorry" is not going to cut it, either. I do not accept weak-sauce not-pologies. How do you propose to make restitution?
