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What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
Amarok Offline
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 25, 2018 at 1:49 am
(March 25, 2018 at 12:39 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: If he does, I'm pretty much done with this.
Don't feel bad thou . You were super patient with him.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 25, 2018 at 3:43 pm (This post was last modified: March 25, 2018 at 3:43 pm by drfuzzy.)
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 25, 2018 at 3:47 pm
Jeff has a speech impediment, or a cognitive disability, or both.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 25, 2018 at 3:51 pm
(March 25, 2018 at 3:47 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Jeff has a speech impediment, or a cognitive disability, or both.


A stronger case can be made for God in that regard . . . .
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 25, 2018 at 4:40 pm
What can I say, Vor..I'm dropping pearls for the swine.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 25, 2018 at 5:24 pm
(March 25, 2018 at 4:40 pm)Khemikal Wrote: What can I say, Vor..I'm dropping pearls for the swine.


When fate hands you swine, you pull out the pearls.  Others would just make a nice roast ham.
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March 25, 2018 at 6:32 pm
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March 25, 2018 at 6:34 pm (This post was last modified: March 25, 2018 at 6:35 pm by GrandizerII.)
(March 25, 2018 at 6:32 pm)He lives Wrote:
(March 25, 2018 at 3:43 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: Dodged the question troll.  Again.  (Of course.)  Why is the Bible so spectacularly unclear?  Why does your "god" suck so spectacularly at communication?  You believe this creature not only MADE humans, but the entire universe . . . billions upon billions of galaxies.  Yet its supposedly "called to the ministry" mouthpieces can't agree on what the book (either written or inspired by god, depending upon the sect) SAYS.  

A book which, I unfortunately still have memorized.  I called myself xtian for over 40 years, to my great shame.  I have read the entire Bible, it's a big reason I'm now an atheist.

"you have to put forth some effort"  - A book that supposedly is the answer to keeping a "soul" from eternal torture is deliberately obtuse, unclear, and can only be understood if you glean hidden messages from the text through reading, meditation, and prayer. Uh-huh.  Imagine if textbooks and recipes worked like that.  2 + 2 = 17 if you pray about it hard enough.  You believe that the vast majority of humans that have ever lived on this planet are going to fry forever, but that's ok because only the group that pulled the RIGHT meaning out of the magic grimoire are worthy of heaven.  "put forth some effort"  That's unbelievably sick and vicious.  It's tribal and sociopathic magical "we're special and they're not" thinking.

I understand why there are so many interpretations.  The book was written by ignorant bronze-age men who wanted power over others, and wrote down old fables to scare people into compliance.  The bible has been used to support racism, slavery, genocide, rape, and, of course, war.  You can make it say whatever you want it to say.

But, since you think that your oh-so-loving sky daddy will fry you forever if you doubt your magic book for one second, you are absolutely incapable of questioning it, aren't you?  
You are completely incapable of putting any of your beliefs under scrutiny, but you seem to think you are qualified to come here and try to "educate" people.

Any omnipotent and omniscient entity can speak - CLEARLY - for itself, in any place, at any time, to any people anywhere - without the need for a human to speak FOR it.  So Why is the Bible so spectacularly unclear?  Why does your "god" suck so spectacularly at communication?

I will answer your question, but I doubt very much that you will like the answer. The earth we live on is a testing area. It is a place of learning and a place to increase our faith. We all volunteered to take the test because of the opportunity of growth it presented to us. In order for the test to be fair and accurate we had to forget our past. The test criteria is about how we live our lives. Will we love each other? Will we help each other? Will we be charitable? Will we be honest? Will we be humble? Will we do the right thing? Are we tolerant of others? We will be judged according to our knowledge or our lack thereof. I believe the Bible is quite clear about these things. I don't dwell on the negative. I say accentuate the positive. There is great satisfaction in doing good.

What religion are you? Mormon?
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 25, 2018 at 6:56 pm
Increasing ones faith is pretty difficult when the odds of attending the right Christian church (assuming God ain't Muslim or Druid, or Hindu) is like 1 in up to 70,000 or so (assuming there aren't duplicate theologies among the unaffiliated churches and how could there be? They don't compare notes).
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
March 25, 2018 at 8:13 pm
Faith testing zone . That's the lamest coop out ever written .
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