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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
January 30, 2018 at 12:56 pm
A belief in their own ability to heal via a laying on of their hands, a belief in their ability to speak in tongues, and a belief they can drink any deadly thing and handle deadly serpents without harm.
Just like it says in the Bible.
The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
January 30, 2018 at 5:43 pm
That they acknowledge that it's only a belief and not necessarily the correct one, or correct at all.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
January 30, 2018 at 5:52 pm
(This post was last modified: January 30, 2018 at 5:57 pm by Whateverist.)
Yeah simple humility goes a long way.
Of course the certainty is what so many of them are most want to brag about.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
January 30, 2018 at 6:14 pm
I'm not quite sure how to define the term 'Christian' in a way that is consistent with 'reasonable' since the defining concept 'Nicene creed' seems to be inherently unreasonable.
So, what would I expect out of a reasonable *theist*?
I think one expectation is an admission that anything to do with the supernatural is an *additional* assumption on top of what has already been discovered through science. Also, that such assumptions should only allow ideas that are inherently untestable. This makes them 'independent' from what can be done through the sciences and thereby a *possible* axiom.
This, by the way, happens in mathematics: we know, after Godel, that any formal system we are interested in will have truths that cannot be proved. Such truths have to be *assumed* in addition to the other axioms. And, to some extent, the choice is arbitrary.
An admission that the assumption of 'God' is similar to the assumption of the axiom of choice would go a long way to establishing some sort of 'reasonableness' to the system.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
January 30, 2018 at 8:46 pm
(This post was last modified: January 30, 2018 at 8:52 pm by Succubus.)
(January 30, 2018 at 12:56 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: A belief in their own ability to heal via a laying on of their hands, a belief in their ability to speak in tongues, and a belief they can drink any deadly thing and handle deadly serpents without harm.
Just like it says in the Bible.
Eight hours later, he died
And there was much rejoicing.
It's amazing 'science' always seems to 'find' whatever it is funded for, and never the oppsite. Drich.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
January 31, 2018 at 12:17 am
It seems to me that the most active long time theists on AF (including MK who isn't even Christian) satisfy the criteria as set forth by Whateverist.
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