What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?

[drfuzzy]

"He who farts in church sits in own pew."

I can make nonsensical aphorisms too, they don't say anything.  They're just an attempt to deflect attention away from a palpable difficulty.

I've heard that one before. However, I was referring to what seems obvious to me, and that is that consciousness is not of the body. Our thoughts do not come from random electrical impulses in the brain. Neither did our bodies come about by random acts of nature. It was designed just like a Boeing 747. Nature had billions of years to design a 747, but it didn't. Our bodies are much more complicated than a 747. There is a big problem with nature did it.

Our thoughts DO come from electrical impulses in the brain.  They can be measured, and mapped specifically to an area of the brain.
The difference between the "design" of a Boeing 747 and a human body is that the 747 is a GOOD design and the human body is most definitely NOT.  All sorts of problems are directly caused by one little evolutionary step - standing up - just for a start.

[vulcanlogician]

I've heard that one before. However, I was referring to what seems obvious to me, and that is that consciousness is not of the body. Our thoughts do not come from random electrical impulses in the brain. Neither did our bodies come about by random acts of nature. It was designed just like a Boeing 747. Nature had billions of years to design a 747, but it didn't. Our bodies are much more complicated than a 747. There is a big problem with nature did it.

Rather than simply conclude that life is to complex to have arisen from natural processes, why don't you look at the specific parts of the theory which explain how such complexity can come about?

I could point to a 747 flying in the sky and say, "Look, that disproves gravity."

And if someone were to approach me and say, "A 747 flying in the sky does not disprove gravity. You're oversimplifying things. There are a number of forces at work that you are not taking into account," and my response was to simply point at the 747 again and say, "Look that disproves gravity"... well... that would be a lot like what you are doing.

Stop pointing at the 747. It's not a good argument.

[Amarok]

[The Grand Nudger]

The thing I've always found delicious about the 747 analogy is how completely it helps to explain a difference between design and evolution.  I wonder who would correctly surmise that the the 747 has in it's technical background the Flyer of Kitty Hawk fame knowing nothing about planes.  No one would expect to find a Flyer nestled in the fuselage of a 747 (and no one will find that..it isn't there)....and I bet that next to no one would imagine that aircraft started out looking like the flyer based on how a 747 looks.

The same simply isn't true of ourselves.  We have more in common with any other ape than a 747 has with the Flyer...and there were only a few decades between the latter two.  There are millions of years between us.  Still, in our case...we do find the the metaphoric Flyer in the fuselage.

[He lives]

[Godscreated]

I see no evidence saying God doesn't exist.

GC

That is entirely your choice.

That's quite the picture of your attitude towards God. You and no one else have ever presented any, period. You go to the links of children with things like this picture to divert from the subject at hand.

GC

[Amarok]

[He lives]

[Amarok]

[Fake Messiah]

I've heard that one before. However, I was referring to what seems obvious to me, and that is that consciousness is not of the body. Our thoughts do not come from random electrical impulses in the brain. Neither did our bodies come about by random acts of nature. It was designed just like a Boeing 747. Nature had billions of years to design a 747, but it didn't. Our bodies are much more complicated than a 747. There is a big problem with nature did it.

YAY! ANOTHER AIRPLANE FUCKER!!! Another dumbass christian who is excited about his debunked rhetoric.