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What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
(March 16, 2018 at 9:00 am)drfuzzy Wrote:
(March 15, 2018 at 11:51 pm)He lives Wrote:




drfuzzy Wrote:Science, genetics, DNA, etc., etc., have conclusively proved in multiple ways that the human race could not possibly have grown from a single couple.  Simplistic explanation of MVP    Science has also clearly mapped age of the earth, age of the human species, human migration patterns, and the fact that every single human on earth is African.  Your call.

Before you whine that the article only applies to ANIMALS, here are the human numbers.


The Biblical account is the correct order for life existence:

(Old Testament | Genesis 1:20 - 22)

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

This was done over a very long period of time. Adam and Eve had a lot of children over their long lifetime on the earth. After the flood the lifespan of man was still much greater than today and families were large. The Bible does not have a timetable. Suffice it to say that it took the necessary time needed for the creation to take place.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
Quote:This was done over a very long period of time.
Oh?  How many days are we talking, here?  

Quote:Adam and Eve had a lot of children over their long lifetime on the earth. After the flood the lifespan of man was still much greater than today and families were large. The Bible does not have a timetable.
There was no adam, and no eve, and no flood.  Much of magic book may be without a timeline, but..."creation" doesn't appear to be one of the parts that this applies to.  

Quote:Suffice it to say that it took the necessary time needed for the creation to take place.
Suffice to say, indeed, lol.  That's why I asked how many days would be necessary to accomplish 20, 21, and 21..according to magic book?
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
(March 16, 2018 at 11:56 am)Khemikal Wrote:
Quote:This was done over a very long period of time.
Oh?  How many days are we talking, here?  

Quote:Adam and Eve had a lot of children over their long lifetime on the earth. After the flood the lifespan of man was still much greater than today and families were large. The Bible does not have a timetable.
There was no adam, and no eve, and no flood.  Much of magic book may be without a timeline, but..."creation" doesn't appear to be one of the parts that this applies to.  

Quote:Suffice it to say that it took the necessary time needed for the creation to take place.
Suffice to say, indeed, lol.  That's why I asked how many days would be necessary to accomplish 20, 21, and 21..according to magic book?

The Bible is not a magic book. You should be aware that the days you are referring to in the book of Genesis were not earth days and were mentioned before the sun and moon were put in place on the fourth period of time called a day:

(Old Testament | Genesis 1:14 - 19)

14 ¶ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The days of creation were not earth days.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
(March 16, 2018 at 12:21 pm)He lives Wrote: The Bible is not a magic book.
Well....I know that....but.........

Quote:You should be aware that the days you are referring to in the book of Genesis were not earth days and were mentioned before the sun and moon were put in place on the fourth period of time called a day:
If you say so.

Quote:The days of creation were not earth days.
How many Not Earth Day-Days™, then?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
(March 16, 2018 at 11:53 am)He lives Wrote:
(March 16, 2018 at 9:00 am)drfuzzy Wrote:


The Biblical account is the correct order for life existence:

(Old Testament | Genesis 1:20 - 22)

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

This was done over a very long period of time. Adam and Eve had a lot of children over their long lifetime on the earth. After the flood the lifespan of man was still much greater than today and families were large. The Bible does not have a timetable. Suffice it to say that it took the necessary time needed for the creation to take place.

There was no "Adam and Eve".  There were no variants of humans, ardipithecus to homo sapien - that lived extraordinarily long lives.  There was no flood, it is scientifically impossible.  You really need to study something with real data instead of a silly book of bronze-age fairy tales.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
(March 16, 2018 at 12:29 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
(March 16, 2018 at 12:21 pm)He lives Wrote: The Bible is not a magic book.
Well....I know that....but.........

Quote:You should be aware that the days you are referring to in the book of Genesis were not earth days and were mentioned before the sun and moon were put in place on the fourth period of time called a day:
If you say so.

Quote:The days of creation were not earth days.
How many Not Earth Day-Days™, then?

There were 7 periods of creation time mentioned in the book of Genesis which were called days. We also read:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 3:8)

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

(March 16, 2018 at 12:53 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:
(March 16, 2018 at 11:53 am)He lives Wrote: The Biblical account is the correct order for life existence:

(Old Testament | Genesis 1:20 - 22)

20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.

This was done over a very long period of time. Adam and Eve had a lot of children over their long lifetime on the earth. After the flood the lifespan of man was still much greater than today and families were large. The Bible does not have a timetable. Suffice it to say that it took the necessary time needed for the creation to take place.

There was no "Adam and Eve".  There were no variants of humans, ardipithecus to homo sapien - that lived extraordinarily long lives.  There was no flood, it is scientifically impossible.  You really need to study something with real data instead of a silly book of bronze-age fairy tales.

What you are stating is an opinion and not fact.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
(March 16, 2018 at 1:19 pm)He lives Wrote: What you are stating is an opinion and not fact.

I'm going with scientific "opinions" rather than Biblical "facts."  You believe execrably stupid things, and I for one am very happy to not be you.
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
(March 16, 2018 at 1:19 pm)He lives Wrote:
(March 16, 2018 at 12:29 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Well....I know that....but.........

If you say so.

How many Not Earth Day-Days™, then?

There were 7 periods of creation time mentioned in the book of Genesis which were called days. We also read:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 3:8)

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Yep, the old 2 Peter gambit.

You do know -- don't you? -- that 2 Peter was written at a time when Jesus' failure to return within the lives of his followers had become something of an embarrassment and a scandal. Hence, the spin. And here we are, two-thousand years (or "two days" if you prefer) later, and idiots are still falling for that spin and waiting for that return.

Any minute now . . .  Rolleyes
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
(March 16, 2018 at 1:19 pm)He lives Wrote:
(March 16, 2018 at 12:29 pm)Khemikal Wrote:





(March 16, 2018 at 12:53 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: There was no "Adam and Eve".  There were no variants of humans, ardipithecus to homo sapien - that lived extraordinarily long lives.  There was no flood, it is scientifically impossible.  You really need to study something with real data instead of a silly book of bronze-age fairy tales.

What you are stating is an opinion and not fact.

What I'm stating is backed by thousands of studies and millions of books of verified data.  This is not "opinion".  These are accepted scientific truths to most of the people on this planet.  What you are stating as fact is equivalent to:  "my comic book says that Superman comes from Krypton".  Therefore, Superman exists, Krypton used to exist, and anyone that says otherwise is only stating an opinion!
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
(March 16, 2018 at 1:19 pm)He lives Wrote: There were 7 periods of creation time mentioned in the book of Genesis which were called days. We also read:

(New Testament | 2 Peter 3:8)

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
Then it it took seven Not Earth Days™.  This is the necessary amount of time for all of creation, according to magic book.  On the fifth Not Earth Day "god" makes fish and birds (and whales and what have you).

The fourth Not Earth Day god having made the stars and sun and moon.

The third Not Earth Day god having made plants and trees.

The sixth..for reference, god goes on to create land animals and man.  

...and you think that genesis gets the order right, somehow? Let's explore.

Sharks would disagree.  They predate trees, if they were created..then they would have to be created on or before the third day - not the fifth.  The whales would disagree.  They were land animals that went to water.  If they were created..they were created on the sixth day.......not the fifth.  The stars and the sun and the moon have a hell of a grievance in placement.  There's an amusing disparity with the plants in their own right....because flowers are younger than mammals but older than humans.......so somewhere on the 6th day (and pretty close to the end) would have to be when they were created..if they were created...not the third.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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