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What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
RE: What beliefs would we consider reasonable for a self proclaimed Christian to hold?
Joseph Smith could have been nipped in the bud my way.

12 million souls (and that's just the ones alive today) are denied Salvation because of that demon and his 'visions'.
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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(March 24, 2018 at 7:19 pm)He lives Wrote:
(March 24, 2018 at 5:46 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: You mean she didn't remember anything between the time of her NDE and the time of her heart being restarted?  Oh say it isn't so!  It couldn't have anything to do with the fact that she was under anesthesia and basically dead, could it?  The parts of her NDE which can be correlated with events in the operating room clearly occurred while she was fully conscious.

Are you saying she was fully conscious during  the entire operation? Her eyes were taped shut and she was still able to describe surgical instruments and the surgical procedures used on her.

More at:

https://www.near-death.com/science/evide...-dead.html

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Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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So much reason to face palm but just can't keep slapping myself. Back on ignore you go.
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(March 24, 2018 at 9:27 pm)He lives Wrote: Her physical brain was not conscious during the operation, but her spirit saw everything that was happening during the operation. When she woke up she remembered everything her spirit had seen. That is how she was able to describe everything that happened. I still don't think you are understanding what I am saying here.

YES WE DO! I read the link you dropped. Half of it was irrelevant, the other half presented a very shaky case. Did you bother to read the article that Jor linked a page or so back? 

Here are some highlights...
Quote:Of course, the issue of whether Pam was "really" dead within standstill is an extraordinarily misleading red herring in this context. And it is blatantly irresponsible for Sabom to explicitly state that her NDE occurred "while in this state." As Sabom's own account reveals, her standstill condition had absolutely nothing to do with the time when we know that her near-death OBE began: A full two hours and five minutes before the medical staff even began to cool her blood, during perfectly normal body temperature!
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About one or two in a thousand patients undergoing general anesthesia report some form of anesthesia awareness. That represents between 20,000 and 40,000 patients a year within the United States alone. A full 48% of these patients report auditory recollections postoperatively, while only 28% report feeling pain during the experience
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First, there is the observation that only part of her head was shaved. Perhaps she could have guessed this at the time of her experience, but there is no need even for this in order to account for the reported observation. Surely Pam would have noticed this soon after awaking from general anesthesia—by seeing her reflection, feeling her hair, or being asked about it by visitors. And she certainly would have known about it, one way or the other, by the time she was released from the hospital. Indeed, if her hair had been shaved presurgery, or at any time prior to her general anesthesia, she would have known about it well before her OBE. And patients undergoing such a risky procedure are standardly given a consent briefing where even the cosmetic effects of surgery are outlined—if not explicitly in a doctor's explanation, then at least incidentally in any photographs, diagrams, or other sources illustrating what the procedure entails.

https://infidels.org/library/modern/keit...s.html#pam

Why don't you read the article in the above link and see if you think it makes a good/bad attempt to debunk Reynolds' NDE? I read your article (and watched your video). Why don't you give us your opinion on a skeptical assessment of Reynols' claim?
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He will ignore it and just repeat his points over again .Your arguing with a wall.
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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If he does, I'm pretty much done with this.
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"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein
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